FarmerSim Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Hi All, bought a cheap .22lr, a Lakefield 64B SA. It seems Ok, but I've had a couple of badly split cases ejected, and I wondered what folk thought? Photo shows 4 cases, "1" is a minor (?) split at the front, "2" is an unsplit "normal" case, and 3 & 4 are rather badly split at the rear. Its these that concern me. Should I be concerned? For context, the two cases shown are from one box ( of 50 ). The splits are to the left of the firing pin, which is at 12 o'clock on the Lakefield. TIA Sim Edited April 18, 2012 by FarmerSim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remy 700 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi interesting , what ammo is that it would suggest bad batch of ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 dont like it either cant advise though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ooh that is NOT healthy, as above what ammo and if possible a batch number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Headstamp looks like Winchester Super-X. Have you tried another brand of ammo? Could be a bad batch, but could be gun related like a headspace issue. If it does it with another brand of ammo, get it checked out by a gunsmith, if not take the ammo back. Edit: The fact the base split is in the same place in relation to the firing pin strike, suggests its gun related to me. If it was ammo related the radial position of the split would be random in relation to the pin? It suggests a weakness in the chamber in that location to me. Is that where the extractor sits? Edited April 18, 2012 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Thanks for the replies. Ammo is Winchester subsonic "super X", hollow point. Batch number is 1DBB8, made in australia (!), by Olin. Hope this helps, I'm wondering if the chamber is worn out, and if I should email Lakefield for the proper dimensions, and tolerances thereof.. unless anyone on here has them? TIA Sim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remy 700 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) excellent ammo , it is less likely to be ammo failure with this brand.imo Edited April 18, 2012 by remy 700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Headstamp looks like Winchester Super-X. Have you tried another brand of ammo? Could be a bad batch, but could be gun related like a headspace issue. If it does it with another brand of ammo, get it checked out by a gunsmith, if not take the ammo back. typing as you were posting !! Thanks, you are indeed correct!! - Haven't tried another brand of ammo yet - as was expecting the gun to be ammo fussy, so only bought 50, and have shot 30 or so.. Thanks again ATB Sim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I don't think that will be the ammo, especially with winnie subs!! I'd get a gun smith to check it over mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Edit: The fact the base split is in the same place in relation to the firing pin strike, suggests its gun related to me. If it was ammo related the radial position of the split would be random in relation to the pin? Two very good points, which I missed before, sorry. Agree completely with both. It suggests a weakness in the chamber in that location to me. Is that where the extractor sits? The firing pin is about 12 o'clock, and the extractor is about 3 o'clock. Sharpshooter.123:- I've not had the gun a week yet, so I reckon I'll be ringing the RFD I bought it off, even tho it was "cheapish", I'm not happy..... Thanks all for your opinions - keep em coming! ATB Sim Edited April 18, 2012 by FarmerSim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Winchester subs are particularly not prone to such things in my experience. They have a name for themselves as being very well made, sorry to say I reckon it must be the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 It doesn't matter how much it cost or how old it is it's not functioning how it should. Just take it back. You hardly ever see a thread about poor quality Winchester ammunition in 22lr atvb matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I've never had a problem with Winchester .22's. It's probably a worn/loose chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Get the dealer to change the rifle before something horrible happens - safety first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 It can't be ruled out completely, but I doubt it's the ammo. Especially as it's splitting in the same place each time, on a gun you've just bought. As said, it doesn't matter how much you paid or the age of the gun, it's sold as a working item and it's up to the seller to correct it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Try cleaning it (especially the bolt face and chamber face) then run different ammo through it - I doubt it is going to be a worn chamber (although it could be something else) - I have some REALLY old .22lr's which have done tens of thousands of rounds and the chambers are fine - it would take an awful lot (or misuse) to wear a chamber on a .22lr - I would be interested to see some photos of the bolt and chamber face. Are you sure the gun is not a 22 WMR? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Shoot the same ammo in another rifle and see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I have never seen cases split like before . I think you have a gun problem and you need to take it back . If it is a worn or sloppy chamber then the gun is out of proof and should not have been offered for sale . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerSim Posted April 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Thanks for all the replies folks. I have attached a pic of the barrel stamping, and the chamber. it is interesting that the pics show "marks" in the action better than natural light... mmmm, there is also an "issue" with the bolt support rail shown in the bolt face piccie... any and all comments welcome.. Thanks again ATB Sim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Looks like it was carved out of a billet using a hammer and cold chisel Only kidding, CZ's aren't that pretty and they work just fine. IMO you either need to shoot some of those rounds in another rifle, or shoot some different rounds in that rifle. But as has been said, my first step would be to go back to the shop with the rifle and some split rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remy 700 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Nice to speak to you sim , cheers remy 700 Edited April 20, 2012 by remy 700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 It's possible the chamber was reamed to .22 WMR at some point- a chamber cast would tell you what you need to know. No need to get Cerrosafe either, sulphur will be accurate enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 It would be re-proofed if it was reamed out to 22 WMR surely? I wreckon it's knackered mate!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 The better question is "how does it shoot?" thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I have shot many 1000's of Winchester X with no problems. It could be a bad batch I suppose. Although Winchester is an American firm, all their ammo is produced in Australia. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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