stan68 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Hi to all This may seem a daft question and probably is but can anyone tell me how an "open ticket "is worded on a firearms cert?? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Here you go mate! There are some other conditions on my ticket overleaf but it isn't necessary to show them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan68 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thanks for that frenchie My cert is worded "The .243 RIFLE,SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for SHOOTING FOXES AND ANY OTHER LAWFUL QUARRY and zeroing on ranges and land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area is situated AND over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot" I take it that this is not an open ticket? dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thanks for that frenchie My cert is worded "The .243 RIFLE,SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for SHOOTING FOXES AND ANY OTHER LAWFUL QUARRY and zeroing on ranges and land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area is situated AND over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot" I take it that this is not an open ticket? dave No - it means you can only shoot on land cleared by the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thats a worry as my licence also says the same as Stans but is definatley 'open'. Think i will ring them in the morning !! BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 No - it means you can only shoot on land cleared by the police. Yip, you have a closed certificate..... Thats a worry as my licence also says the same as Stans but is definatley 'open'. Think i will ring them in the morning !! BB How do you know its 'open' then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This deemed suitable by the chief officer of police Means it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thanks for that frenchie My cert is worded "The .243 RIFLE,SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for SHOOTING FOXES AND ANY OTHER LAWFUL QUARRY and zeroing on ranges and land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area is situated AND over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot" I take it that this is not an open ticket? dave That is the crucial difference between an OPEN and a CLOSED ticket! Different areas might have slightly different wording but if your ticket has the wording that is highlighted in red then your ticket is closed! It is however possible to have one or more calibres on OPEN conditions whilst having other calibres on CLOSED conditions at the same time! (I had this with my .243 for DEER until I could show that I had gained "reasonable experience" while deer shooting) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This Means it isn't My wording is slightly different on my 'open' cert. It says. The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/fox/deer and for zeroing on ranges, or land and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. Ive just fired off an e mail to D&C Police to clarify. It took blooming ages to get it opened in the first place. Lets hope there hasnt been a clerical error and i have to go through the whole process again ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thats a worry as my licence also says the same as Stans but is definatley 'open'. Think i will ring them in the morning !! BB You most definitely should, if your licence is worded the same as stans then it is closed my friend. You will be in breach of the conditions of your FAC if you are shooting on land not deemed suitable for the calibre you are using by the cheif of police. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 My wording is slightly different on my 'open' cert. It says. The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/fox/deer and for zeroing on ranges, or land and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. Ive just fired off an e mail to D&C Police to clarify. It took blooming ages to get it opened in the first place. Lets hope there hasnt been a clerical error and i have to go through the whole process again ! That wording is indeed a open cert, I got confused as you said the text was the same on your fac as the OP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 That wording is indeed a open cert, I got confused as you said the text was the same on your fac as the OP's. Gulp ! Which bit makes it sound more open than the other chaps wording ? . Its very similar isnt it. Many thanks and sorry if this is a bit of a highjack. BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Thanks for that frenchie My cert is worded "The .243 RIFLE,SOUND MODERATOR and ammunition shall be used for SHOOTING FOXES AND ANY OTHER LAWFUL QUARRY and zeroing on ranges and land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area is situated AND over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot" I take it that this is not an open ticket? dave Gulp ! Which bit makes it sound more open than the other chaps wording ? . Its very similar isnt it. Many thanks and sorry if this is a bit of a highjack. BB This bit deemed suitable by the chief officer of police is the tell tale of a closed cert and the holder has lawful authority to shoot is tell tale for open fac Edited June 28, 2012 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 My wording is slightly different on my 'open' cert. It says. The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/fox/deer and for zeroing on ranges, or land and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. Ive just fired off an e mail to D&C Police to clarify. It took blooming ages to get it opened in the first place. Lets hope there hasnt been a clerical error and i have to go through the whole process again ! that is open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 It pretty much comes down to the deemed suitable by the chief of police bit. All certificates state that you must shoot over land that you have lawful authority to shoot.... It would be poaching and armed trespass otherwise! I've never seen the "Experienced - Open" term on a certificate. Just goes to show how things vary but it is clear which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Gould Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 how do you get a open ticket ???? my current FAC is worded so i can use me FAC air rifle any where i am alout to shoot, but my .22lr and hmr can only be used on places the police let me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 It pretty much comes down to the deemed suitable by the chief of police bit. All certificates state that you must shoot over land that you have lawful authority to shoot.... It would be poaching and armed trespass otherwise! I've never seen the "Experienced - Open" term on a certificate. Just goes to show how things vary but it is clear which is good. Once again it would help if ALL areas used the same "standardised" wording, then at least we would all know where we stood. As you say, you have never seen the "Experienced - Open" term on a certificate so I am glad that I actually showed a scan of that part of my ticket to show "possible variations" in the wording! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Weirdly, I've been asking to have mine opened every time the police have had it ever since I got it (about 12yrs), Last time 'round, they agreed to open it and gave me a load of coppies of a form to fill in to let them know (preferably before) where I was shooting. Guess what? It's worded the same as it ever was! I think, best check come to think of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 If you provide good reason, there is no reason why it can't be 'opened' up BTW the Police hate that term, so best refer to it as "having the restriction removed" IIRC I wrote to them under a year of having an FAC and had it removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Here you go mate! There are some other conditions on my ticket overleaf but it isn't necessary to show them. Frenchie it appears you WMR is not conditioned for fox like you told us all. Your .22rf being further conditioned for humane dispatch of fox should even discredit any counter claim that foxes are vermin. So apparently there are still no shooters in Lancs conditioned for fox control with a rimfire unless someone can show differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 It pretty much comes down to the deemed suitable by the chief of police bit. All certificates state that you must shoot over land that you have lawful authority to shoot.... It would be poaching and armed trespass otherwise! I've never seen the "Experienced - Open" term on a certificate. Just goes to show how things vary but it is clear which is good. Lancs have been doing this a while now, they also state (closed novice) on a closed cert. The whole thing stems from the old territorial restrictions. I suspect holding land inspections on computer lead to the changes but added some confusion in the process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesw Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 When I had closed ticket it stated on land deemed suitable by the Cheif of police which meant they had to sign the land suitable Now it states anywhere I have lawful authority to shoot or land owners permission If you had no permission you would be trespassing with a firearm It's always best to get written authority from landowner before shooting just in case something did go wrong I guess all forces use different wording Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finreid Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Frenchie it appears you WMR is not conditioned for fox like you told us all. Your .22rf being further conditioned for humane dispatch of fox should even discredit any counter claim that foxes are vermin. So apparently there are still no shooters in Lancs conditioned for fox control with a rimfire unless someone can show differently pretty sure it says clearly in part 8 QUARRY - FOX (EXPERIENCED OPEN). states that he may use his 243 and .22wmr for fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Frenchie it appears you WMR is not conditioned for fox like you told us all. Your .22rf being further conditioned for humane dispatch of fox should even discredit any counter claim that foxes are vermin. So apparently there are still no shooters in Lancs conditioned for fox control with a rimfire unless someone can show differently It is conditioned for fox, on section 8 after the .243 is listed it shows the WMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 The firearms and ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game/fox/deer and for zeroing on ranges, or land and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. Thats what mine says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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