Rimfireboy Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Retrieved these from soft sand.The three on the left are hollowpoints and the one on the right is a solid 40 grain bullet. Just shows the difference between them when impacting in soft media,the solid bullet hasn't really deformed at all, just scarred.Sorry about the picture quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 try the marco funtion on the phone / camera for close up shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thats interesting - now it would be worth trying to see exactly how much they deform when going through a rabbit. You would need to have a box full of sawdust or other soft material and shoot a couple of HP into it to see they didn't deform then hang a fresh rabbit infront and them shoot a couple through. I guess that most of the 90ftlbs available is spent killing the turf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thats interesting - now it would be worth trying to see exactly how much they deform when going through a rabbit. You would need to have a box full of sawdust or other soft material and shoot a couple of HP into it to see they didn't deform then hang a fresh rabbit infront and them shoot a couple through. I guess that most of the 90ftlbs available is spent killing the turf. With a solid bullet, yes probably . Saying that, when was the last time you found a rimfire bullet in a rabbit, hollowpoint or otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 40gr Win sub passed through a fox skull at 40 ft. found 1/2" into soil on opposite side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aister Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) With a solid bullet, yes probably . Saying that, when was the last time you found a rimfire bullet in a rabbit, hollowpoint or otherwise? i have found two, one was laying on the grass about a foot away on the other side of a rabbit i had shot broad side at 30 odd yards and the other was sticking in the skin on the other side of a rabbit shot broad side, cant remember how far away that one was but it wasnt that far. both were winchester subsonic hollows. this is a pic of the one i found on the grass, i didnt keep the other one. edit to say-good grief the pic aint good but you get the picture. another edit to say, no pun intended Edited July 8, 2012 by aister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Experience has shown me that Winchester and Magtech HP subs expand the most. That isn't exactly earth shattering news as those two probably have the biggest HP around. Still makes a lot of difference just what range the quarry is brought down and what you actually hit. It is not uncommon for the HP on these to peel back like a mushroom, present more than twice its normal frontal surface area and do a LOT of damage, that's what they are meant to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 i have found two, one was laying on the grass about a foot away on the other side of a rabbit i had shot broad side at 30 odd yards and the other was sticking in the skin on the other side of a rabbit shot broad side, cant remember how far away that one was but it wasnt that far. both were winchester subsonic hollows. Intriguing....I have on a good few occasions shot two rabbits with one shot with Winchester sub 40g, & found them to go straight through both rabbits...albeit the second not killed out right, but all the same the bullet passed straight through. The range was aprox 50yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aister Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 i too have shot 2 rabbits with 1 shot with .22lr and even seen the bullet hit the grass at the other side of the second one. you would think that if it were a dud bullet i would have missed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Old newspapers soaked in water makes for a good expansion medium, if a bit heavy to lug around. It also gives consistent and repeatable results i.e. my results from wet newsprint should be very similar to yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) I've found water to be the best test as it doesn't seem to erode the bullets like soil or sand. Here's a picture of a couple that I had to hand. Left to right... Winchester 40gr subsonic HP .22lr, 25 yards into water. Speer 45gr SP .22 Hornet, 50 yards into water. Sellier and Bellot 140gr SP 7x57, 100 yards through Roe Buck and into soft soil. Edited July 11, 2012 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I've found water to be the best test as it doesn't seem to erode the bullets like soil or sand. Here's a picture of a couple that I had to hand. Left to right... Winchester 40gr subsonic HP .22lr, 25 yards into water. Speer 45gr SP .22 Hornet, 50 yards into water. Sellier and Bellot 140gr SP 7x57, 100 yards through Roe Buck and into soft soil. Just got a vision of someone sat in there bedroom window shooting down into the kids paddling pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Theres a good comparison between .17 and .22 expansion on a forum somewhere, its a good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I did a water test on my HMR when I had it. All I found was the plastic tip, the base and loads of tiny fragments. That was 17gr Remington Accutip. It's so light and fast that there's rarely much to be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I did a water test on my HMR when I had it. All I found was the plastic tip, the base and loads of tiny fragments. That was 17gr Remington Accutip. It's so light and fast that there's rarely much to be found. Did we find the 'ice bullet'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) No chance. That'll be in a couple of feet or so I'd guess. .338 takes some stopping! Maybe we should get a shed load of water and try? It'd take a good three or four feet I should think? Edited July 11, 2012 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 We'll have to get a coastal rambler to stand behind and try and catch it next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Any body else finding that with the winnie subs on rabbits,a close shot and its 50/50 if it runs and yet at any distance they blow em open like a .17hmr with major damage to the meat and shattering of bones etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Can't say I've noticed, but then I rarely take shots over 60 yards with the .22! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Any body else finding that with the winnie subs on rabbits,a close shot and its 50/50 if it runs and yet at any distance they blow em open like a .17hmr with major damage to the meat and shattering of bones etc No, I have shot them at about 5 yards to a <long way away> and they were just as dead as each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Any body else finding that with the winnie subs on rabbits,a close shot and its 50/50 if it runs and yet at any distance they blow em open like a .17hmr with major damage to the meat and shattering of bones etc where are you hitting them? I shoot 50-60 a week mostly between 50-80yds, some stupid ones as close as 10yds. All intended to be head shots, couple of flyers no more damage at distance and they all drop quick enough even at 80 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 where are you hitting them? I shoot 50-60 a week mostly between 50-80yds, some stupid ones as close as 10yds. All intended to be head shots, couple of flyers no more damage at distance and they all drop quick enough even at 80 yds I am aiming for chest shots so it doesnt spoil the meat,close shots are 20 yrds and a long shot is 80yrds,when they are gutted there is so much damage. The zero is fine and at 65yrds,i used to use eley subs and had very few runners,the winnies seem to be such a variable shot Am shooting hundreds of rabbits each year and dont miss much just noticing the difference the ammo has at ranges stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 where are you hitting them? I shoot 50-60 a week mostly between 50-80yds, some stupid ones as close as 10yds. All intended to be head shots, couple of flyers no more damage at distance and they all drop quick enough even at 80 yds Out of curiosity are you saying ALL YEAR? 2500-3000 per year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Any body else finding that with the winnie subs on rabbits,a close shot and its 50/50 if it runs and yet at any distance they blow em open like a .17hmr with major damage to the meat and shattering of bones etc No! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Out of curiosity are you saying ALL YEAR? 2500-3000 per year? tell you when I get there! Only started doing it at this rate over the last 4 months or so last few weeks not quite as many.....rabbits cant swim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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