Anyone here had their motor remapped,and happy or not?

[wymberley]

 

All our vehicles are remapped and declared to the insurance and no increases on any of them.

To be fair, the AA is a broker so they're limited in what they can offer. Having said that, I figure that just like the Halifax with their mortgages, they cherry pick and avoid any awkward customers. All sorted now, changed insurer and barring any silly increase over the next two years by doing so I get the re-mapping free because of the savings on the premiums especially as the new policy is not loaded by the modification.

[will_gleave]

To be fair, the AA is a broker so they're limited in what they can offer. Having said that, I figure that just like the Halifax with their mortgages, they cherry pick and avoid any awkward customers. All sorted now, changed insurer and barring any silly increase over the next two years by doing so I get the re-mapping free because of the savings on the premiums especially as the new policy is not loaded by the modification.

 

Good news then, who are you using for the remap.

[wymberley]

 

Good news then, who are you using for the remap.

Quantum Tuning - the 'Blue' version. I was right to want the 173 but ended up with the 150HP version. All I'm after is a little extra power to save changing down quite so much on the Devon hills - don't need/want Kyska's 60 bhp - been there and done that - turned 70 last week so now looking for the more sedate mode. In theory, the Blue ups the 150 HP to 178 and the torque from 340 to 390. This actually tops the standard 173 by 5 HP and some 30Nm which should do me nicely.

[Catweazle]

Don't forget to ask the "chip" manufacturer how much their extended engine warranty costs, as you'll want to be covered against all the driving circumstances that caused the vehicle manufacturers to use the original fuelling map, such as towing, long hills, hot weather, variable quality fuel, end-of-life engine oil etc., etc.

 

The vehicle manufacturers don't use the leaner fuelling because they don't want to get a reputation for unreliable engines, the "chip" companies of course don't care.

[wymberley]

Quantum Tuning - the 'Blue' version. I was right to want the 173 but ended up with the 150HP version. All I'm after is a little extra power to save changing down quite so much on the Devon hills - don't need/want Kyska's 60 bhp - been there and done that - turned 70 last week so now looking for the more sedate mode. In theory, the Blue ups the 150 HP to 178 and the torque from 340 to 390. This actually tops the standard 173 by 5 HP and some 30Nm which should do me nicely.

Just had this done. The car feels entirely different - everything seems more positive and the idle is far smoother. Accelerating as normal is far more brisk and I can accelerate up those hills where before I would have to change down a gear just hold my speed. I'm well impressed. This is precisely what I was after and now for a consumption check and any improvement will simply be a bonus.

[ditchman]

know a fella who had a td5 defender re-mapped........drove it like a looney...i rekon most people have vehicles re-mapped to get more power.i would never ever buy a re-mapped vehicle cause i rekon a good proportion of them have been thrashed.............

[thepasty]

I don't get better mpg, but about the same, slightly better on a motorway run, I can only think you need less right foot because of the torque increase.

 

I got 80lb/ft of torque and 60bhp increase with my bluefin.

 

This mans right, its to do with more torque meaning the engine works less hard and thus better mpg.

[thepasty]

The vehicle manufacturers don't use the leaner fuelling because they don't want to get a reputation for unreliable engines, the "chip" companies of course don't care.

 

Thats a sweeping broad brush statement if ever I've seen one, my local tuning guys are experts in their field and care a lot as its there reputation at stake. They've also spent many many hours, £, and engines testing their products to ensure there are no negative effects.

 

Get it remapped not "chipped".

 

I've had both my cars done and am very happy with the results.

 

I've also had things like the EGR and DPF mapped out and before I hear blah blah MOT failure blah blah both cars have had multiple MOT's since being done and show no noticeable change in the soot test etc...

 

Both are MUCH better cars due to these changes.

know a fella who had a td5 defender re-mapped........drove it like a looney...i rekon most people have vehicles re-mapped to get more power.i would never ever buy a re-mapped vehicle cause i rekon a good proportion of them have been thrashed.............

 

Both mine are family cars and do not get thrashed at all, the wife wouldnt even know how to "thrash" a car.

[wymberley]

 

Thats a sweeping broad brush statement if ever I've seen one, my local tuning guys are experts in their field and care a lot as its there reputation at stake. They've also spent many many hours, £, and engines testing their products to ensure there are no negative effects.

 

Get it remapped not "chipped".

 

I've had both my cars done and am very happy with the results.

 

 

Roche, perhaps?

[thepasty]

Indeed, great lads

[Catweazle]

 

Thats a sweeping broad brush statement if ever I've seen one, my local tuning guys are experts in their field and care a lot as its there reputation at stake. They've also spent many many hours, £, and engines testing their products to ensure there are no negative effects.

 

 

Do you really think your local engine guys know better than, for example, Volkswagen ? Seriously ? Can you imagine a scenario where the people who actually designed the engine and electronics, tested it for millions of miles, and have access to all the warranty data, would miss a simple trick that the guys in the corner garage have spotted ? Even if that were the case ( extremely unlikely ), can you imagine that they would then ignore this "breakthrough" more-power-more-MPG technology ?

 

Old school engine tuners move metal to make engines perform better, this is hand fitting that would have cost the factory money to do, genuine gains are achievable at a cost. The factories don't do it because it makes their cars more expensive. On the other hand, changing the fuelling map in the factory ECU costs absolutely nothing, there is no economic reason they don't do it, when you buy a "chip" for several hundred pounds you are paying for the data on it, the chip itself costs pennies and is the same as the factory chip.

 

Save money and put in a lighter throttle spring, it will make your car feel faster but won't affect your reliability :-)

[Hamster]

At long last.

[thepasty]

There isnt a single point in your post that cant be answered by reading the thread again.

 

Ground hog day

[wymberley]

Do you really think your local engine guys know better than, for example, Volkswagen ? Seriously ? Can you imagine a scenario where the people who actually designed the engine and electronics, tested it for millions of miles, and have access to all the warranty data, would miss a simple trick that the guys in the corner garage have spotted ? Even if that were the case ( extremely unlikely ), can you imagine that they would then ignore this "breakthrough" more-power-more-MPG technology ?

 

Old school engine tuners move metal to make engines perform better, this is hand fitting that would have cost the factory money to do, genuine gains are achievable at a cost. The factories don't do it because it makes their cars more expensive. On the other hand, changing the fuelling map in the factory ECU costs absolutely nothing, there is no economic reason they don't do it, when you buy a "chip" for several hundred pounds you are paying for the data on it, the chip itself costs pennies and is the same as the factory chip.

 

Save money and put in a lighter throttle spring, it will make your car feel faster but won't affect your reliability :-)

Would you agree that the cartridge manufacturing companies know more about their product than all of the amateur homeloaders put together? Similarly, that it is possible that the latter can obtain a greater degree of accuracy with their 'products' than can be achieved by the former?. Could this be that the latter are able to take into account the local existing criteria - namely one particular barrel - whereas the former are restricted to having to work within the constraints set by internationally agreed standards - not to mention their accountants?

[Hamster]

Cartridges have very few components and apart from the powder and primer very little has or can change from year to year, whilst it is true that centre fire rifles can have home loads tuned to make them more accurate, the gains are fairly minuscule if we're honest. Most decent guns for instance can make tiny groups with factory ammo so an extra half inch may look spectacular on paper but is all but undetectable in practice.

 

I would also say it is highly unlikely that shot gun home loaders can make meaningful gains in pattern quality with home loads - if any.

 

This is quite unlike engine performance as we're talking about, these have many hundreds of precision engineered components which are told how to run by the engine mapping/management. The tuners profess to make cars go faster and more economically everywhere which can't be.

[theshootist]

In my opinion a remap is essential in getting the best out of any modern engine with electonic fule and ignition timing. The generic factory map that your car comes with is there to take into account the huge variation in environmental conditions and fuel quality across the areas in the world where your car is sold. It is also going to be set up to put less stress on certain parts of the engine.

 

My car is currently having its third remap following a progressive series of engine modifications. The car has appoximately 50% more power than it started with. On one of my regular 150 mile drives of mixed urban, A & B roads and mororway I still get only 2 mpg less than when the car was standard. Of course if I drive it hard it really eats fuel! My car has always been mapped on the road rather than on a rolling road with a big fan.

 

Even if you don't modify your car the remap (provided its done by an expert and not a child with a laptop and cable) can make the best use of your particular machine. Engines from the same production line are all going to be slightly different and a proper remap can get the best out of it.

 

Also - lots of modern motorbikes tend to have a flat or very lean spot at the point where emission testing is done. A remap can smooth this out.

[wymberley]

 

 

I would also say it is highly unlikely that shot gun home loaders can make meaningful gains in pattern quality with home loads - if any.

 

IT IS SIMPLY DONE. All you have to do is load for the opposite direction in which the makers are heading because they know that for some reason speed sells. In other words keep the velocity down.

 

This is quite unlike engine performance as we're talking about, these have many hundreds of precision engineered components which are told how to run by the engine mapping/management.

 

YES.IN ORDER to comply with any and all conditions and legislation world wide. The accountants would have kittens if the engineers wanted to make engines finely tuned to each and every individual market place.

[Cushies]

The generic factory map that your car comes with is there to take into account the huge variation in environmental conditions and fuel quality across the areas in the world where your car is sold. It is also going to be set up to put less stress on certain parts of the engine.

 

 

What I was going to say.

[Del T]

It seems we are going round in circles!

[Hamster]

 

Even if you don't modify your car the remap (provided its done by an expert and not a child with a laptop and cable) can make the best use of your particular machine. Engines from the same production line are all going to be slightly different and a proper remap can get the best out of it.

 

 

 

I do not doubt you, same as the fact a given make of rifle can perform best with a different pellet/bullet but I have first hand experience of driving dozens of new and nearly new cars for a few months at a time and I can assure you you could practically set your watch with their consistency when it comes to miles per gallon. Family size MPV 1.6 petrol auto would return 28-30 on true combined and 6 speed manual version would go 31-33, you could of course make either do 40+ at constant (sensible) motorway speeds but they all returned the same for me for everyday driving. Diesel versions would do 45 when thrashed or 50ish driven with fuel efficiency in mind.

 

I also do not believe manufacturers would miss a simple trick such as tuning to suit the intended market place, not that I think it makes a real difference whether you're in Berlin or London.

[Catweazle]

I think the comparison with reloading is a good one. Yes, you can make a cartridge faster by putting more powder into it, but don't expect the rifle to last as long.

[thepasty]

It seems we are going round in circles!

 

indeed, I've stepped out as a conversation takes both parties to listen and these two clearly aren't reading peoples replies as all their repeated "opinions" have been explained away more than once.

 

Luckily opinions are just that and we can pick and choose to listen or not (as they have it would seem).

Edited June 4, 2014 by thepasty

[Hamster]

That's one way to interpret things I suppose, another would be show me the money.

[Del T]

 

indeed, I've stepped out as a conversation takes both parties to listen and these two clearly aren't reading peoples replies as all their repeated "opinions" have been explained away more than once.

 

Luckily opinions are just that and we can pick and choose to listen or not (as they have it would seem).

Yep. Everyone knows best, especially the ones that have no first hand experience on the matter.

I've run a different ecu (Gems rally spec) for about 10 years with a few remaps by one of the worlds best Gems mappers but next time I see him I'll call him a liar and its not possible to get more bhp/torque and better fuel economy at certain load points cos some bloke 'ont'internet said so.

[thepasty]

Me to, one of my Saabs (2006 vintage) was remapped from new by a Saab Approved Tuning Specialist.... but that didnt really happen and Saab would never approve remapping one of their cars.... according to some.

 

Its now covered 150k miles and it still hasnt exploded... I must be one of the lucky ones (tongue firmly in cheek.)

Edited June 4, 2014 by thepasty