VikingRebel Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 All speculation at present but I do see a slight problem with this scenario, in fact any scenario in this country where a firearm is used to 'protect ones life/family/property!' I do hope it works out as has been mentioned above BUT, let us not forget that sense and sensibility seem to leave the room when people are put on trial for defending themselves... In the wee hours, the shotgun should have been locked away securely. If the shotgun was liberated from it's cabinet, ammunition located, gun loaded and then used on intruder, it will hardly be seen as a spur of the moment 'grab for something' to defend one's self with but more likely will become 'pre-meditated' and therefore not reasonable force. After all, ithe time it would take to make the gun available and ready would suggest it was gotten out on hearing the intruders early on. If the shotgun was in a place/state to be 'grabbed' and used in an instant for fear of one's life, then it can't have been properly secured in the first place! Whilst I agree with the sentiments so far, I doubt this one will end well for the homeowner, it's not like grabbing a knife in the heat of the moment and stabbing a burglar... Using a properly secured gun requires planning and preparation to some degree! As far as i am aware, nowhere in British law does it state that self defence must not be "pre-meditated" in order for it to be considered reasonable force. If that was the case, then surely it would also be illegal to learn defensive martial arts and then use them when attacked? It is "pre-meditating" after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 well if were going down the "pre meditated" route, post 21 could be considered pre meditated,BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maidment78 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Looks like he did a good job not to kill them, shotgun at what must have been less than 10 yards, indoors, (I am guessing here but why shoot if they are outside) I have a horrid feeling that this will go against the shooting world though as it is honey for the antis which is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Responsible sgc holder then :P BB Of course, mine are always on my bedside cab. They are there till the morning, then they go out with me. I never leave them lying about, they are on my person 24/7. I don't hide them in house, and I don't trust them in a safe as I know how easyly most of them can be opened. If I looked out my window and seen a load of big guys breaking in, or if they have a knife etc, I'd be opening my cab without a doubt, get my family in one room, call the police, make some noise. And if they come for me or my family I would use force to stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Warming up nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Of course, mine are always on my bedside cab. They are there till the morning, then they go out with me. I never leave them lying about, they are on my person 24/7. I don't hide them in house, and I don't trust them in a safe as I know how easyly most of them can be opened. If I looked out my window and seen a load of big guys breaking in, or if they have a knife etc, I'd be opening my cab without a doubt, get my family in one room, call the police, make some noise. And if they come for me or my family I would use force to stop them. So if you leave them on your bedside cab overnight! how are they on your person 24/7 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 As someone who lives in melton mowbray it may sound like the idyllic twee country town but you would not believe the shear amount and sort of criminal activity that goes on. Its probably got to do with the fact that its quite a well off place but its absolutely surrounded by scummy council estates. Its the only place in the country that ive seen first hand, old fashioned chalk outlines of bodies in the town center after the police have investigated the latest stabbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Of course, mine are always on my bedside cab. They are there till the morning, then they go out with me. I never leave them lying about, they are on my person 24/7. I don't hide them in house, and I don't trust them in a safe as I know how easyly most of them can be opened. If I looked out my window and seen a load of big guys breaking in, or if they have a knife etc, I'd be opening my cab without a doubt, get my family in one room, call the police, make some noise. And if they come for me or my family I would use force to stop them. But that would not be pre meditated would it! holding dry rehersals and timing it,is a little bit different! popcorn anyone?? Edited September 2, 2012 by Bluebarrels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 So if you leave them on your bedside cab overnight! how are they on your person 24/7 ?? What do you want? Them clipped onto a nipple ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 If 4 blokes are poking about someones home at 12-26am they got what they deserved. Time the law woke up and treat criminals like criminals. You cannot claim you have rights if you go about breaking the rules. Thats where it all went wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlincs Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Serves the scum right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 What do you want? Them clipped onto a nipple ring. Only the cert holder should know where the keys are kept,if you leave them lying around i suggest other family members have access to them,i keep mine locked away but then again i want to keep my sgc,if you know better crack on BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 good on him, i can just imagine him jumping out of a cupboard shouting "supprise mothers"!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 advertising where your keys are kept on a public forum is probably not wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Its early days so I think it best if we wait till more is known , had they been shot at close range even with bird shot they are lucky to be alive ! but I have a feeling ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 good on him,its his house and they should not have been there,hope he gets let off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 In America ( all states are slightly different) if they are in your house you can shoot them. It does wonders for the buglary rate, about a tenth of what we get here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 He may have had a fox taking his chickens that is why he had his shotgun to hand and the intruders just picked the wrong night if this goes any further we should start our own petition to free the chap and give him a knighthood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) Looks like he did a good job not to kill them, shotgun at what must have been less than 10 yards, indoors, (I am guessing here but why shoot if they are outside) I have a horrid feeling that this will go against the shooting world though as it is honey for the antis which is sad. I have the same feeling as you Maidment78 ! If some one is able to walk away from a shotgun blast at close range & call for help either has a pact with the devil or a guardian angel I would love to have watching over me !! Edited September 2, 2012 by Pole Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Responsible sgc holder then :P BB Yes right next to my head , have no pockets when I'm in bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Should have used his rifle as it prob says 'vermin control' on his ticket !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Only the cert holder should know where the keys are kept,if you leave them lying around i suggest other family members have access to them,i keep mine locked away but then again i want to keep my sgc,if you know better crack on BB anyone lost their licence because the keys by the bed when they sleep? would that be thought of as leaving them laying around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Where else is best ? Could always rest my hand on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 (edited) In America ( all states are slightly different) if they are in your house you can shoot them. It does wonders for the buglary rate, about a tenth of what we get here. Yes but Vince did you ever walk into the wrong house by mistake ? I did once but thank God it was in Australia & not the USA !!! Here is another case I can tell you & this was not in the UK a friend of mine heard some one breaking into his home late one night so my friend grabbed his 9m Luger Pistol & waited by the door of the room the intruder was breaking into !. The moment the intruder walked out of that door he had the Luger pistol shoved into the back of his head & was told don't F!! move ! & the poor so & so dropped his bladder all over the floor ! & do you know who it turned out to be ? THE LODGER come home late & forgotten his key !!. So all the RAMBO's reading this who are just itching to shoot some one because they are in the wrong house & stand over the corpse of the slain beating their chest like an ape waiting for the police to turn & the press photographers to take a pic of them for the front page of the tabloids !! . THINK AGAIN ! I am glad we don't have the US system . Edited September 2, 2012 by Pole Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Yes but Vince did you ever walk into the wrong house by mistake ? I did once but thank God it was in Australia & not the USA !!! Here is another case I can tell you & this was not in the UK a friend of mine heard some one breaking into his home late one night so my friend grabbed his 9m Luger Pistol & waited by the door of the room the intruder was breaking into !. The moment the intruder walked out of that door he had the Luger pistol shoved into the back of his head & was told don't F!! move ! & the poor so & so dropped his bladder all over the floor ! & do you know who it turned out to be ? THE LOGGER come home late & forgotten his key !!. So all the RAMBO's reading this who are just itching to shoot some one because they are in the wrong house & stand over the corpse of the slain beating their chest like an ape waiting for the police to turn & the press photographers to take a pic of them for the front page of the tabloids !! . THINK AGAIN ! I am glad we don't have the US system . and in the usa they all mostly go on about slugs for home defense ,shoot the intruder and take out one of your kids in the next room through the dry wall at the same time !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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