Reece Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9394491/Badger-cull-to-go-ahead-as-campaigners-lose-High-Court-bid.html An article about the badger cull which is set to go ahead. There is a poll in the article if you scroll down, so please vote on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Done, only 1073 votes adrift! Come on, Guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I'm yet to be convinced that a cull is the right way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I voted no to the cull vaccination is the only answer in the end having said that I think that all dairy caws will soon be kept it gigantic barns like the do in the US so it will not be a problem and then we can have milk cheaper than bottled water and beef cattle can be kept in areas that are TB free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 There should be cull TB or not , local woods , farms tracks and roads are being destroyed .... Don't get me wrong i don't want badgers wiped out ... But like every animal they need to be controlled....saw 10 the other night when i went lamping. Regards willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I don't know enough about the subject to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I was under the impression that if vaccination occurs,neither the meat nor milk from that particular animal can enter the food chain,as in F&M.Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 There should be cull TB or not , local woods , farms tracks and roads are being destroyed .... Don't get me wrong i don't want badgers wiped out ... But like every animal they need to be controlled....saw 10 the other night when i went lamping. Regards willow32 i agree. thats exactly it!! theres an unbeleivable amount now!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I've voted in favour but if the conditions outlined when the cull was first proposed are adhereed to, the chances of setting up a contiguous cull zone that satisfies the requirements are virtually nil. An organised cull is needed in infected areas but I think the huge contiguous cull zone requirement will make it unworkable. To restore some healthy balance for the long term its the removal of the badger's ridiculously over-protected status that needs addressing. A status brought about, it should be remembered, by the previous government purely as means of impeding hunting in the days before the ban. None of this has ever been about welfare. Still, we live in hope, despite past experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I voted no to the cull vaccination is the only answer in the end having said that I think that all dairy caws will soon be kept it gigantic barns like the do in the US so it will not be a problem and then we can have milk cheaper than bottled water and beef cattle can be kept in areas that are TB free. Firstly there is no vaccination available for cattle. And where is this mythical land where you say the beef cattle can go, that is TB free. I would'nt like to be the one to tell any farmer he has to up togs and move. Tb is spreading accross the country due to the increase in Tb infected Badgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I don't know enough about the subject to vote. That doesn't seem to be a factor in the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 That doesn't seem to be a factor in the debate. Wise words M'lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I voted no to the cull vaccination is the only answer in the end having said that I think that all dairy caws will soon be kept it gigantic barns like the do in the US so it will not be a problem and then we can have milk cheaper than bottled water and beef cattle can be kept in areas that are TB free. Milk is already cheaper than bottled water, and if that doesn't change soon then all our milk will come from abroad. I suppose TB in the national dairy herd will not be a problem when there are no cows left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The way that I see it we are never going to get agreement on this issue there are two ways to sort out this problem first we could kill all of the cows and buy our milk and beef from abroad or we can kill all of the badgers and hold our breaths that its not the cows that are spreading it ether way I do not much care but stop this messing about one or the other simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 How some people get permission to shoot on farms when they say, "first we could kill all the cows". The farmers I know would see you off with a big boot up your butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 first we could kill all of the cows and buy our milk and beef from abroad or we can kill all of the badgers and hold our breaths that its not the cows that are spreading it ether way I do not much care but stop this messing about one or the other simple. The voice of reason. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I did have a laugh. :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 How some people get permission to shoot on farms when they say, "first we could kill all the cows". The farmers I know would see you off with a big boot up your butt. I was making the point if as some people think badgers are the way that tb is spread just shooting a few is not going to stop it you would have to catch them and test them and once you have a stock of tb free badgers you could then in some way kill all of the rest of them and reintroduce the clean ones as they have with wolves etc. At present we kill all of the infected caws in a herd at a large cost to the tax payer that runs in to millions per year new caws are then bought in and in turn get infected so they are killed and so it goes on. What is the point I do not no what the answer is the only logical way has to be vaccination at some point when a good one cums but killing some caws and some badger never has and never will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Catch and test the Badgers ?, I've heard it all now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Catch and test the Badgers ?, I've heard it all now. The problem is you may have herd it all but nothing ever seems to penetrate your head I have given you all of the options but all we get from you is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 If your options made sense they would have been used, go and talk to some local beef or dairy farmers. and dont be surprised if they laugh at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 To restore some healthy balance for the long term its the removal of the badger's ridiculously over-protected status that needs addressing. A status brought about, it should be remembered, by the previous government purely as means of impeding hunting in the days before the ban. None of this has ever been about welfare. Still, we live in hope, despite past experience. I am no fan of Blair and Brown et al but I don't think you can hold them responsible for the Badger Act 1992. They weren't in office for another five years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 The problem is you may have herd it all but nothing ever seems to penetrate your head I have given you all of the options but all we get from you is How about a badger cull? Wouldn't that be an option? Your options simply aren't feasible at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I was making the point if as some people think badgers are the way that tb is spread just shooting a few is not going to stop it you would have to catch them and test them and once you have a stock of tb free badgers you could then in some way kill all of the rest of them and reintroduce the clean ones as they have with wolves etc. You obviously don't realise what the cull is about and what it's aims are. The cull is a trial. It's aims are to kill the highest achievable number of badgers in each trial area and then monitor the incidence of bTB in that area. It will then be possible to make an informed decision as to the viability and feasibility of rolling out the cull to other parts of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) I'm way out of date here by a good ten years or so. At grass roots level I ran the carcass (roadkill) survey in Cornwall, Devon and Dorset which was aimed at finding the extent of the disease in the badger population. Although it was 95% roadkill, some were termed "dead on farm" or somesuch. These, one made every effort to get to. Some farmers were of the opinion that TB followed the badgers as they spread throughout the country and the reason for this spread was because the badger population was following the maize as the area planted increased in proportion to its growing popularity as animal feed. Are any of our PW farmers still of this opinion or has it been proven groundless? Edited September 17, 2012 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 well the first license has been issued, wonder whether you need a variation for them or vermin will do it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19623703 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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