denniswebb Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 With Hugh Smith resigning from the International Board is it time for the Olympic Disciplines to be split from the rest of the Sport. Years ago the International Board was under CPSA control, but financial problems caused the board to break away from the CPSA. Its was felt that government funding could be miss used to prop up the CPSA . As it turned out it the miss use was by the International board. What with funding almost gone the reason for the split have gone, should the other disciplines now revert to go back fully to the CPSA, who are better placed to fund international disciplines. If the board were more fully focused on just Olympic Disciplines wouldn't they be more efficent, more productive, better focused on funding, afterall they failed to spot a winner in Peter Wilson in his early days. Big is not always beautiful . Dennis the menace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) Got the evidence of misuse of funds Dennis? If I recall correctly when you hounded with snide innuendos the late Roger Peace, the Board's then Secretary/ Treasurer, back in the late 90's you couldn't or wouldn't provide evidence then of your allegations to the Board's solicitor. You're also incorrect, unsurprisingly, regarding the Board's set up in 1973. If you're going to go BICTSF bashing, as you did on your failed claysporting.com website, please at least get your facts correct. I left your website forum because I was fed up to the back teeth of your tirades and Walter Mitty like feats of derring do in lifeboats, the building industry to rescueing clay shooting. Now it seems it's the turn of the Essex Police to be the villains of the piece. This forum isn't the place to start again, it isn't clay shooting oriented - go find one that is, or start your own again. Edited September 28, 2012 by PhilR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Well said Phil. :good: :good: I too worry about the sweeping statements, slagging off just about any target. No hard facts ever emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I only think like many others that sporting wolud be better served away from the International Board, thats not to say the CPSA would do any better but at this moment its just not happening and its been like that for years now. I don't see anything helpful in opening old sores and picking at the scabs, the damage was done, we lost our funding.....The sport has to move on and go forward. This is a clayshooting section on a public forum, Basc is an active member of it, a large part of BASC is clayshooting, shouldn't they have a say in Sporting, shouldn't they play an active part in the funding of international teams, and shouldn't we debate that.......... Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry31 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Like the song says here we go again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Can someone please wake me up when the record has been changed? Ta. Zzzzzz.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 a large part of BASC is clayshooting, Really? That's news to me...and probably BASC too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Really? That's news to me...and probably BASC too. Havn't you heard of the BASC world sporting then? or the BASC Olympic skeet championships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I would imagine a large part of the membership of basc shoot clays as well as game and rough, its just that the preference is game orintated, but then so was the CPSA 40 years ago, clayshooting was seen as something to do out of season as a form of practice for the real thing. The international board has stumbled along and really not gone no where as far as sporting shooters are concerned......Could they put on another major event such as host the World or european. its doubtful, the last one was pathitic save the targets. The CPSA has better connections to stage such an event. As much as Phil hates it the Board is really finished as far as sporting shooters go . They have nothing to offer, they struggle to manage there own olympic disciplines and thats only a few at best hundred shooters. Why should'nt BASC cough up a bit and support sporting, maybe even good PR for them to support a major, who knows they could even coeperate with the CPSA on a joint venture of staging a major. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I didn't know that your post code and the value of your home put you beyond reproach. Well, that and doing the lifeboat thing. Anyways, I love a game for a laugh thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil moss Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I didn't know that your post code and the value of your home put you beyond reproach. Well, that and doing the lifeboat thing. Anyways, I love a game for a laugh thread. :good: Got the evidence of misuse of funds Dennis? If I recall correctly when you hounded with snide innuendos the late Roger Peace, the Board's then Secretary/ Treasurer, back in the late 90's you couldn't or wouldn't provide evidence then of your allegations to the Board's solicitor. You're also incorrect, unsurprisingly, regarding the Board's set up in 1973. If you're going to go BICTSF bashing, as you did on your failed claysporting.com website, please at least get your facts correct. I left your website forum because I was fed up to the back teeth of your tirades and Walter Mitty like feats of derring do in lifeboats, the building industry to rescueing clay shooting. Now it seems it's the turn of the Essex Police to be the villains of the piece. This forum isn't the place to start again, it isn't clay shooting oriented - go find one that is, or start your own again. :good: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I would imagine a large part of the membership of basc shoot clays as well as game and rough, its just that the preference is game orintated, but then so was the CPSA 40 years ago, clayshooting was seen as something to do out of season as a form of practice for the real thing. Why should'nt BASC cough up a bit and support sporting, maybe even good PR for them to support a major, who knows they could even coeperate with the CPSA on a joint venture of staging a major. Dennis I've no doubt plenty of BASC members shoot clays, but people don't join BASC if they're serious about clay shooting and competing in the sport. That's what the CPSA are for. BASC is, and always has been dedicated to live quarry shooting. Their clay shooting 'dept' is aimed at getting people to pick up a gun and give shooting a go, mainly at game fairs and the like. It's not designed, or probably capable, of running large competition shoots and nor should it be. Why shouldn't BASC 'cough up' for sporting shooting? Probably for the same reason the CPSA membership would be up in arms if their subscriptions were used to promote wildfowling or game shooting. If there's a problem with clay shooting it's up to the CPSA membership to put pressure on their organisation to sort it out. I don't want my BASC subs going to bail you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 If there's a problem with clay shooting it's up to the CPSA membership to put pressure on their organisation to sort it out. I don't want my BASC subs going to bail you out. When I mainly shot clays,I was a member of CPSA.When I shot mostly game I joined BASC(and had to insist at my local clay ground that I didn't need to re-join CPSA to shoot clays on a once in a while basis,'for insurance' purposes)and have to agree with Poontang here.Let the CPSA sort out clay shooting problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Double Trap, Olympic Trap, Olympic Skeet are remote from a sporting shooter in just the same way as Game shooting is, but i support these events because success in them raises the whole profile of shooting......Peter Wilsons success during and after the Olympics has been of huge benifits to the whole of the sport, including BASC members, why shouldn't BASC chip in , if we have to as sporting shooters why shouldn't they. Its lack of funding that nearly stopped him taking Double Trap up.....We are all in this sport together, many clay shooter find it unpleasant that someone else should get a kick out of killing things but still support your right to take part. As shooters we have to support all sections of the sport if we are to survive....We are all in this together. Basc should set aside some funds for the deevelopent of clayshooting, if we are to believe BASC , there are 70,000 members in it that shoot clays, so they do represent clay shooters, perhaps David can enlighten us as to why no support funding is forthcoming. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Dennis, are you a BASC member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 We are all in this sport together, many clay shooter find it unpleasant that someone else should get a kick out of killing things but still support your right to take part. As shooters we have to support all sections of the sport if we are to survive....We are all in this together. Basc should set aside some funds for the deevelopent of clayshooting, if we are to believe BASC , there are 70,000 members in it that shoot clays, so they do represent clay shooters, perhaps David can enlighten us as to why no support funding is forthcoming. Dennis BASC do set aside funding for the promotion of clayshooting Dennis. They run the young shots programme, and have shotgun coaches introducing newcomers to shooting. What you seem to want them to do however is for them to fund competition clay shooting. That's not their remit, that's down to the CPSA. Just as a matter of interest how do the CPSA help fund live quarry shooting? The simple fact of the matter is they don't (and nor should they) so why should BASC fund competition clay shooting? There may well be 70,000 BASC members who shoot clays, but generally those people do it out of season, and for a bit of fun. They're not competition shooters, they're generally 'haybalers' who shoot local clubs, and in doing so they are promoting clay shooting so I'd say BASC and its members are doing plenty to support clayshooting. Far more, I would suggest than the CPSA do to promote live quarry shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 There may well be 70,000 BASC members who shoot clays, but generally those people do it out of season, and for a bit of fun. They're not competition shooters, they're generally 'haybalers' who shoot local clubs, and in doing so they are promoting clay shooting so I'd say BASC and its members are doing plenty to support clayshooting. Far more, I would suggest than the CPSA do to promote live quarry shooting. In fact probably more than CPSA are actually doing to promote clay shooting even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) If the National Governing Body, the International Board and others cannot get their act together and promote Olympic disciplines and clayshooting generally then why on earth would a predominantly game and wildfowling organisation be expected to contribute? As a live quarry shooter I would not expect CPSA, ISSF or any other organisation to do anything other than offer support in defence to a general threat to shooting. The BASC do encourage participation via their involvement with Young Shots programmes and Game Fair stands and I think that is admirable and valid. Perhaps clay shooting and its representative bodies need to get their house in order, finally put an end to the egotistical posturing, bitching, in-fighting, petty personal spats and set an open and defined agenda for future progression and promotion of the sport instead of the costly and random display of self forwarding incompetence we have become used to? Too many involved who promote their own ends and not the overall good of the sport and its future perhaps? I am not a BASC individual member as I believe they let my profession down when they behaved badly towards the gamekeepers committee. I am a CPSA member, purely for the insurance if I am honest. Edited September 30, 2012 by hillmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Perhaps we should be asking who British Shooting is? Who do the Government give funding to for Shooting sports? Who decides where that money goes to? Why don't we the shooters get off our bottoms and support the organisations who should be promoting our sport? You only have to go to a CPSA AGM to see how poorly supported clayshooting is. Perhaps ALL the organisations and Associations should give the membership more insight into their functioning. We certainly made many errors of judgement with the selection of our Olympic hopefuls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Double Trap, Olympic Trap, Olympic Skeet are remote from a sporting shooter in just the same way as Game shooting is, but i support these events because success in them raises the whole profile of shooting. I think George Digweed has raised the profile of shooting, but the again, he doesn't shoot any of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Perhaps we should be asking who British Shooting is? Who do the Government give funding to for Shooting sports? Who decides where that money goes to? Why don't we the shooters get off our bottoms and support the organisations who should be promoting our sport? You only have to go to a CPSA AGM to see how poorly supported clayshooting is. Perhaps ALL the organisations and Associations should give the membership more insight into their functioning. We certainly made many errors of judgement with the selection of our Olympic hopefuls. That goes for most clay clubs, the majority of people just want to turn up and shoot, they arn't bothered how the things are run, they expect to turn up and everything is in place. only if there were no clays/diesel for genny's would people start to question things, but still would'nt turn up at meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 That goes for most clay clubs, the majority of people just want to turn up and shoot, they arn't bothered how the things are run, they expect to turn up and everything is in place. only if there were no clays/diesel for genny's would people start to question things, but still would'nt turn up at meetings. 100% on the money. If 10% of the club members who moan about a shoot being too hard / too easy / too expensive / too muddy / too wet / too sunny / too poorly maintained actually turned up to a work party or helped set up or clear up afterwards then things would be a lot easier for the unpaid committee and we might get fewer things wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Perhaps we could leave it to Dennis to sort out. He has the answer to all problems. :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 George is not good enough to shoot Olympic Disciplines, he has tried it but does not have the endurance and committment, you have to give it to Richard Faulds , he has made a big committment to give it his best every time......Olympic success benifits the whole sport including Basc members, it shows shooting in a possitive light that has to benifit every shooter, Basc should put its hand in its pocket and pay some of the managment cost of the International Board, it shouldn't be just the CPSA , every shooter in the country should pay a bit, perhaps then we would have better results, it could even stage fund raising events, we are all in this together. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Olympic success benifits the whole sport including Basc members, it shows shooting in a possitive light that has to benifit every shooter, Basc should put its hand in its pocket and pay some of the managment cost of the International Board, it shouldn't be just the CPSA , every shooter in the country should pay a bit, perhaps then we would have better results, it could even stage fund raising events, we are all in this together. Dennis Excellent. I'm sure they're waiting with baited breath at Marford Mill for the CPSA cheque to drop on the door mat. The money will come in handy to help fund the young shots programme, the Green shoots programme and the WHT. Afterall, these initiatives help bring new blood into the sport and help secure land to shoot over. That's got to be worth some of the CPSA's money surely? Just a quick question Dennis, As a BASC member can I shoot for my county or country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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