brett1985 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) badger-killers.co.uk (mod note - i've removed the direct link, as it will just send reports to them linking back to us, which we really don't need) dont be fooled by the site name, the site is the polar opposite. it amazes me that people like this would do something as silly as going to badger cull areas at midnight and try and perform citizen's arrests on armed people, when in reality, they are probably braking the law by trespassing on land without permission. it would only take one small accident... silly people. the other thing that gets me is this statement taken from their site: "As well as campaigning against the cull and raising awareness of it, we also aim to stop the culls using DIRECT ACTION. We will be out in the fields before and during the cull, stopping and making citizen’s arrests on marksmen/women when we can, filming, rescuing injured badgers and neutralizing bait points when we find them." and.... "Effectiveness, Humaneness and Safety are what this pilot cull are about, but we will show it is: INEFFECTIVE- previous cull results show that culling is ineffective and, at worst, counterproductive. Direct Action will also make this cull INEFFECTIVE. By rescuing badgers with gunshot wounds, taking them to vets for treatment and filming this process, we will show the world, via YouTube, this coalition government’s INHUMANITY." seriously? untill this cull pilot has been undertaken, no-one can say how affective it will be. by taking direct action, you are essentially tampering with the results. im not for or against this cull at the moment, im sat on the fence. and i feel that most logical people will be too, as the proof is in the pudding. if this pilot shows no significant decrease in btb, then the cull should stop. if however, it helps reduce the numbers and spread on btb cases, then why not? Edited October 17, 2012 by nickbeardo see note above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 They really make themselves look stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It'll take a good vet to mend them if they are using deer caliber rifles, realistically they will be very lucky to work out where the culling is taking place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It wouldn't be seen as a citizen's arrest in the eyes of the law. Aggravated trespass, assault, possible attempted kidnapping. I hope these guys like the paint scheme used in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) It'll take a good vet to mend them if they are using deer caliber rifles, realistically they will be very lucky to work out where the culling is taking place thanks for the info nick Edited October 17, 2012 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) As the shooters are on the right side of the law, then surely a citizens arrest on one of them would be considered aggravated trespass , assault, kidnap and as the shooter will obviously be carrying a rifle, in illegal possession of a firearm? Edited October 17, 2012 by cant hit rabbits 123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) As the shooters are on the right side of the law, then surely a citizens arrest on one of them would be considered aggravated trespass , assault, kidnap and as the shooter will obviously be carrying a rifle, in illegal possession of a firearm? Yup, false imprisonment/assault. Edited October 17, 2012 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 here's the guidelines for performing the cull btw... http://www.defra.gov.uk/publications/files/pb13716-shooting-guidance.pdf Rifles: a minimum of .22 centre-fire calibre, with minimum bullet weight of 50 grains and minimum muzzle energy of 1000 footpounds Shotguns: 12 bore only, with full, three quarter or half choke, using a cartridge loaded with AAA shot or BB shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Someone has advertised a load of driven game days on the 'shoot to kill' page, or am I missing something, is it an invite to sabotage shoots? Edited October 17, 2012 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 they are just copy and pasted to inform the sabs of the dates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 they have posted the game advertisements so that the "sabs" can turn up and obstruct the game days and just cause a general nuisance. damn, must type faster.... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Yes, that occured to me after 10 seconds thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 If you have a look on their call for action page they tried to disturb shooting on an Estate between 9am and midnight last SUNDAY would love to know how it went with how much Game shooting happens on a sunday This Sunday we call all of you who care about badgers to put on your waterproofs, grab your maps and head to the forthamton estate. 3,000 acres all signed up and paid for the badger cull. 3,000 acres is over 4 square miles which is approximately 3% of the badger cull zone. The Yorke family who own the estate run a massive shooting business, they offer the killing of pheasant, duck and partridges for entertainment to syndicates and corporations. It is also a very popular bit of land for the Ledbury hunt to go killing foxes on, so for hunt sabs it is going to be particularly important. We already have confirmation of nearly 100 hunt sabs coming this Sunday, any shooting going on will be stopped immediately by us. If you would like to get involved with something a little less confrontational this Sunday we ask you to walk the PUBLIC foothpaths that criss cross this estate and make a note of any pheasant pens or partridge enclosures or anything else that is suspect. Book mark this page and come back saturday evening, we will put up more details as we have them. For now it is up to you to start doing what you can to make arrangements. Consider this a pre-emptive strike. See you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 i just dont see whypeople cant just take a more logical view on this cull. by obstructing cull's and being a pain in the ***, all these anti badger killing peeps will only prolong the cull untill the goverment can get reliable results and feedback from the pilot scheme. why is that so hard for them to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 here's the guidelines for performing the cull btw... http://www.defra.gov...ng-guidance.pdf Rifles: a minimum of .22 centre-fire calibre, with minimum bullet weight of 50 grains and minimum muzzle energy of 1000 footpounds Shotguns: 12 bore only, with full, three quarter or half choke, using a cartridge loaded with AAA shot or BB shot. Yep, that should do it. The legal limit (obviously when lawfully justified) is/was (I know not which it is now but the 1973 Badgers Act is my source) is either 20 bore minimum for shotgun and for rifle, 160 ft/lbs at the muzzle with a bullet not less than 38 grains. WMR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 If you have a look on their call for action page they tried to disturb shooting on an Estate between 9am and midnight last SUNDAY would love to know how it went with how much Game shooting happens on a sunday This Sunday we call all of you who care about badgers to put on your waterproofs, grab your maps and head to the forthamton estate. 3,000 acres all signed up and paid for the badger cull. 3,000 acres is over 4 square miles which is approximately 3% of the badger cull zone. The Yorke family who own the estate run a massive shooting business, they offer the killing of pheasant, duck and partridges for entertainment to syndicates and corporations. It is also a very popular bit of land for the Ledbury hunt to go killing foxes on, so for hunt sabs it is going to be particularly important. We already have confirmation of nearly 100 hunt sabs coming this Sunday, any shooting going on will be stopped immediately by us. If you would like to get involved with something a little less confrontational this Sunday we ask you to walk the PUBLIC foothpaths that criss cross this estate and make a note of any pheasant pens or partridge enclosures or anything else that is suspect. Book mark this page and come back saturday evening, we will put up more details as we have them. For now it is up to you to start doing what you can to make arrangements. Consider this a pre-emptive strike. See you there. i think the shooting they are talking about in that statement refers to the culling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 thats even more amusing paperwork was still being done and it hadn't started on Monday the 15th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyTex Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 and make a note of any pheasant pens or partridge enclosures or anything else that is suspect If you have a look on their call for action page they tried to disturb shooting on an Estate between 9am and midnight last SUNDAY would love to know how it went with how much Game shooting happens on a sunday This Sunday we call all of you who care about badgers to put on your waterproofs, grab your maps and head to the forthamton estate. 3,000 acres all signed up and paid for the badger cull. 3,000 acres is over 4 square miles which is approximately 3% of the badger cull zone. The Yorke family who own the estate run a massive shooting business, they offer the killing of pheasant, duck and partridges for entertainment to syndicates and corporations. It is also a very popular bit of land for the Ledbury hunt to go killing foxes on, so for hunt sabs it is going to be particularly important. We already have confirmation of nearly 100 hunt sabs coming this Sunday, any shooting going on will be stopped immediately by us. If you would like to get involved with something a little less confrontational this Sunday we ask you to walk the PUBLIC foothpaths that criss cross this estate and make a note of any pheasant pens or partridge enclosures or anything else that is suspect. Book mark this page and come back saturday evening, we will put up more details as we have them. For now it is up to you to start doing what you can to make arrangements. Consider this a pre-emptive strike. See you there. Errr 'and make note of any pheasant pens or partridge enclosures or anything else that is suspect'. Suspect?? A pheasant pen?? Legal sport ya muppets...what can we do to stop all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Citizens arrest? Im sorry, but if somebody tried that on me, i would have to defend myself. That would result in some idiot ending up on his rear. If i was walking around LEGALLY with a firearm, and somebody tried to disrupt, then you have a right to defend yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisa Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I wonder how many people out lamping in the area for rabbits and foxes are going to end up with the company of the waterproof laden critter cuddlers! I'm not sure how theyr'e going to stop anything. If I'm out with a firearm and Stefan the straggly haired extremist tries to remove it from me he's just opened himself up for a whuppin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Citizens arrest? Im sorry, but if somebody tried that on me, i would have to defend myself. That would result in some idiot ending up on his rear. If i was walking around LEGALLY with a firearm, and somebody tried to disrupt, then you have a right to defend yourself. *thumbs up* Might I remind people of Section 3 Criminal Law Act, This is from memory but should be verbatim. "A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders, or of persons unlawfully at large." This is very clear legislation that covers the ridiculous term "citizens arrest", the critical part of this definition is "lawful arrest" If what your doing is lawful then they can't do squat, if they touch you or attempt to touch you, then you can defend yourself under the same legislation, common law and self defence powers. These people really need to educate themselves on what they can and can't do before threatening to carry out citizens arrests on anyone with a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I wonder how many people out lamping in the area for rabbits and foxes are going to end up with the company of the waterproof laden critter cuddlers! I'm not sure how theyr'e going to stop anything. If I'm out with a firearm and Stefan the straggly haired extremist tries to remove it from me he's just opened himself up for a whuppin. Be cleverer than that - make sure it is safe but then "allow" them to forcefully take your rifle from you - they are then in illegal possession of a firearm which carries a heavy penalty, especially if they have just assaulted you and stolen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 it is a reminder to anyone who lamps that area to be bleeding careful, probably worth everyone thinking about it as these idiots are likely to think anyone lamping is after badgers. I suspect the real ones will be done with night vision as thats by far the best way of being subtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Lol retards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Another emotive anti campaign. How about sabotaging the sabotage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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