jonesbach Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Part ex's my .223 for a new one today. The new one has to be ordered in so not had it yet. Can anyone shed light on procedure on this swap please. RFD advised me to take licence and receipt of sale of my current .223 into firearms dept and apply for variation before i can purchase and pick up my new rifle. Is this correct? Would have thought it was a straight swap - sell a .223 and sound mod and purchase a .223 with sound mod..?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 You need a 1:1 variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 yep as above usually a fast 2 week ish turn around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 why do you need a variation if the slot is already on ticket,if the old one is sold doesnt that mean the slot is still available mikky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 No the Firearms department needs to open up the slot again. A 1 for 1 variation is needed, the good news is its free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 No the Firearms department needs to open up the slot again. A 1 for 1 variation is needed, the good news is its free! cheers mikky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 You need a 1 for 1 and if you change the mod for that as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hang on, am I missing something here? The licence (presumably) doesn't specify a certain rifle make, model etc. I have the authority to possess certain rifle calibres, divided by slots, it's up to me which types. If I sell one and then buy another it's still one rifle one slot. What are the firearms dept actually going to physically do? I thought a (free) one for one variation was when you (say) have a 22 slot and want to change it to a 17 slot. Sorry if I'm being thick, but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hang on, am I missing something here? The licence (presumably) doesn't specify a certain rifle make, model etc. I have the authority to possess certain rifle calibres, divided by slots, it's up to me which types. If I sell one and then buy another it's still one rifle one slot. What are the firearms dept actually going to physically do? I thought a (free) one for one variation was when you (say) have a 22 slot and want to change it to a 17 slot. Sorry if I'm being thick, but Right, you start with an empty slot on your ticket and fill it. The slot is no longer empty - it is no longer authority to acquire. You sell the rifle but still you don't have authority to acquire another one - see above. The firearms dept are informed and reinstate the authority to acquire. You buy another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Thanks Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 guys you should know this! I dare say its the FEO's fault for not saying this, but everybody who owns a FAC should know how to transfer rifles/mods and open up their slots again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 This is a debate that we have had many a time, and it does seem rather daft. I seem to recall some 3-4 years ago during one of ACPO's coffee mornings, they formulated a plan for RFD's to be able to perform 1 for 1 variations of like for like, ie .22lr for another .22lr, .308 for another .308, the moderator on your .223 for another moderator for your .223. Seems easy enough to me, and I'm pretty sure the RFD were in favour as it could be seen as a sales aid to them. Seems to me that would also save a lot of time at the region and should therefore speed up issue/renewal times! So what happened to that plan? :hmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 You need to apply for a new slot if you sell one gun and want another. Even if it's exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 This is a debate that we have had many a time, and it does seem rather daft. I seem to recall some 3-4 years ago during one of ACPO's coffee mornings, they formulated a plan for RFD's to be able to perform 1 for 1 variations of like for like So what happened to that plan? :hmm: Since when has common sense been applied to firearms laws? With a few simple changes they could run an office faster than they do now with half the staff. But why bother when the public purse is paying?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onslow52 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 This is a debate that we have had many a time, and it does seem rather daft. I seem to recall some 3-4 years ago during one of ACPO's coffee mornings, they formulated a plan for RFD's to be able to perform 1 for 1 variations of like for like, ie .22lr for another .22lr, .308 for another .308, the moderator on your .223 for another moderator for your .223. Seems easy enough to me, and I'm pretty sure the RFD were in favour as it could be seen as a sales aid to them. Seems to me that would also save a lot of time at the region and should therefore speed up issue/renewal times! So what happened to that plan? :hmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Thanks all for answering my queries. Like some, I was also confused as to what was actually physically going to be done. It makes no sense why I couldn't 'swap' a like for like gun and mod when he licence states only .223 and sound mod. Pretty much a waste of time for me and them and the fuel to travel back to the shop once cleared. Another Q then.. 1:1 variation, how long? One hour, day,week,month?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 why do you need a variation if the slot is already on ticket,if the old one is sold doesnt that mean the slot is still available mikky Nop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Thanks all for answering my queries. Like some, I was also confused as to what was actually physically going to be done. It makes no sense why I couldn't 'swap' a like for like gun and mod when he licence states only .223 and sound mod. Pretty much a waste of time for me and them and the fuel to travel back to the shop once cleared. Another Q then.. 1:1 variation, how long? One hour, day,week,month?! Depends how busy your firearms department is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I am sure there is a simple answer to the question. Just ask "BASC" easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Might be a case of check your ticket, I know on mine I have in capital letters a reminder that selling one doesn't give you authority to buy another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I know on mine I have in capital letters a reminder that selling one doesn't give you authority to buy another I don't, no mention of anything except the duty to inform when you buy/sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Don't have anything written on mine, nor did the firearms officer mention anything to me upon either visit..?! Been into the station and had to fill in another firearms app just without the two referees this time.now it's just a waiting game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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