ddanby111 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Hi guys, just applied for my firearms and hopefully coming this week.... I've applies for a .22 lr for rabbits ect but after watching a few videos on YouTube, the .17hmr seems to have much more better patterns and speed of the bullet with greater damage, is this right... Also I would like to know what guns you have and what you rate is either flavours as I need to buy one, hopefully if mr policeman is obliging .... Thanks for your time fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 ask for both, they each have strengths, at the end of the day they are tools to get a job done, ps - ask for FAC air as well - you will then have a good range of rifles for a variety of situations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 horses for courses fella, 22lr is deadly for up to 75 yards and can almost be silenced but it can be a bit loopy and very prone to ricochet, the HMR shoots flat and is good out to 120 yards or if just taking body shots for pest control and not eating the meat you can stretch the distance out to about 160 yards, as for damage the HMR is a fast round at about 2500 fps and using ballistic tips they do massive damage hense the need to head shoot for meat consumption, the down side to the HMR is you cant really silence it as its to fast a round.Dont know what you mean by it has much better patterns though, hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanby111 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Just on that video link I put up, the fella seemed to get better pattern on the .17, but I suppose factors like setup and scope come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 The Hmr does give you greater range and is far easier to shoot if your bunnies are over 70 yards away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Decided my lr is redundant yesterday.going to change scope etc this morning.will be traded in this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryle Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Hmr is nice. It certainly outshoots the .22lr. The hmr ammo prices are a more than compared to the .22lr, but if all you are shooting is rabbits, it shouldnt matter. The other guys are right, hmr does quite a bit of damage indeed. If you do wanna eat your bunnies, head shots are a must. A moderated Hmr is nowhere near as quiet as a moderated .22lr with subs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Decided my lr is redundant yesterday.going to change scope etc this morning.will be traded in this week I'm sure you're not by yourself, only ever use .22 for subsonics in the garden. So sold one of the .22s, will keep one "just in case" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 As always, your land and quarry should dictate which calibre is best for you, neither is better than the other, they are different and suited for different situations. I have 2 x .22lr, HMR and WMR and use them all as dictated by the individual quarry and site! There is plenty here, and on the web, about the individual characteristics of each, check them out and decide which best suits your needs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 .22 L/R for me, cheap to feed and moderated virtually silent with subsonic . i also use cci stingers and good for 110 yards , my rifle loves them . i did own a hmr for a while nice flat shooting calibre indeed , expensive rounds compared to L/R and very prone to wind, the crack from them even moderated is something else, as loud as my .223.. the way i looked on this, i now have the best of both worlds i can use subs for low noise and supersonic rounds to get a bit further range . that works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Same here I use both... .22 with subs are better at night for me using the 17 for the day time or if I can't get as close to them (ie dependant on how many people have shot the land !!) If you are this far up north come and try them !! Cz .22 lr , anchutz .17 hmr O2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Same here I use both... .22 with subs are better at night for me using the 17 for the day time or if I can't get as close to them (ie dependant on how many people have shot the land !!) If you are this far up north come and try them !! Cz .22 lr , anchutz .17 hmr O2 can i come mister pritty please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 can i come mister pritty please Lol you got more land and better guns lol ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 One doesnt replace the other for most of us. The .22 subsonic with a moderator is a very effective rabbit getter. There is little in it windage wise between the two. I no longer own a HMR and wont ever buy another my opinion is the HMR is bettered by a small centrefire especially if you are a competant hand loader. i only found my HMR over damaging on rabbits up close on body hits, not often i do that though just on the occasional wounder or if i am after bait for crow or fox. Its too dear to feed and too noisy to compete with the .22LR for me personally and yet not capable of stepping up to Hornet type performance. It has its fans though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanby111 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Same here I use both... .22 with subs are better at night for me using the 17 for the day time or if I can't get as close to them (ie dependant on how many people have shot the land !!) If you are this far up north come and try them !! Cz .22 lr , anchutz .17 hmr O2 Cheers mate, maybe ur a bit far from me in harrogate but if I'm up there I'd love to meet up and have a go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanby111 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Cheers guys for the advice, I need to read up on what hmr, lr and wmr do and the advantages, disadvantages.... Also guys, if I've got the firearms officer coming round and I've applied on the form for I think it was, .22lr and . 243 mod... Can I ask to change it, like one fella said, to get a firearms cert for a air rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 If you think you need FAC air put it on your application. Can't see it being turned down. Much easier to get passed than powder burners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 only downside they have been known to repace the lr with the fac air- stating you dont have good reason for both and as a new applicant....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Cheers guys for the advice, I need to read up on what hmr, lr and wmr do and the advantages, disadvantages.... Also guys, if I've got the firearms officer coming round and I've applied on the form for I think it was, .22lr and . 243 mod... Can I ask to change it, like one fella said, to get a firearms cert for a air rifle I think you need to do a lot more research if you have applied for a 22lr and a 243 mod as that aint a good combination. As for 22 v 17..I had both but ditched the 22 as the ricohchet's were doing my head in (seems like that round could bounce off fresh air) and most of the land i shoot is wide open with no small fields so limited range was an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think you need to do a lot more research if you have applied for a 22lr and a 243 mod as that aint a good combination. As for 22 v 17..I had both but ditched the 22 as the ricohchet's were doing my head in (seems like that round could bounce off fresh air) and most of the land i shoot is wide open with no small fields so limited range was an issue. I am sure the OP didn't mean a .243 moderator to fit onto a .22lr rifle??? i cannot see the slightest thing wrong with a .22 lr and a .243 win in the safe you could shoot any quarry in the UK short of boar with that mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanby111 Posted December 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Thanks guys, well after it all, I might ask the fao if I can change to a .17 as I think the land I will be shooting is pretty flat and I have heard of ricochets .... So fellas what do u recon I should of applied for, I'll be hopefully just shooting bunnies, the odd fox , but my father in law told me to apply for the .243 and I wrote, on varied grounds where shooting is appropriate and permission given... So yea I think I just haven't researched enough really.... Should of asked u boys first..... Advice please as they should be here this week Edited December 3, 2012 by ddanby111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 Whatever you ask for you need a good reason, so think about a reason, saying "...............on varied grounds where shooting is appropriate and permission given..............." will not get you ANY rifle, that isn't a reason! We all have to start somewhere! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanby111 Posted December 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 No that was just for the .243.... I applied for .22 on permission land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 i should be carefull about the ricochet thing, although the .22 lr is a bouncy little thing at times the hmr gives no great extra safety factor in my experiance its more likely to ricochet in fields of sedge rushes and besides carries twice the muzzle energy. Flat fields are a bit like dodo droppings round here but i have walked away from some otherwise nice land on the basis of no safe backstops previously. Examine your ground with care before the FEO looks and try and make notes on were is safe enough and were is suspect on your patch. My FEO mentioned at her last call that there was a trend of persons getting rid of the HMR because they found it didn't answer the ricochet question for them, its just a longer and flatter shooting rimfire - the flip side is the ammo cost and the extra noise as many have said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted December 3, 2012 Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 i should be carefull about the ricochet thing, although the .22 lr is a bouncy little thing at times the hmr gives no great extra safety factor in my experiance its more likely to ricochet in fields of sedge rushes and besides carries twice the muzzle energy. Flat fields are a bit like dodo droppings round here but i have walked away from some otherwise nice land on the basis of no safe backstops previously. Examine your ground with care before the FEO looks and try and make notes on were is safe enough and were is suspect on your patch. My FEO mentioned at her last call that there was a trend of persons getting rid of the HMR because they found it didn't answer the ricochet question for them, its just a longer and flatter shooting rimfire - the flip side is the ammo cost and the extra noise as many have said The hmr does not bounce anywhere near what the 22lr does and to say it is more likely to bounce on flat fields simply is not true. It is a smaller faster round and will break up more easily on impact as opposed to the 22 which is slower and has greater mass therefore more likely to ricochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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