retromlc Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Hi all thanks for all the advice on buying a gun in "best bunny basher" I ended up getting a HW100S in .177,I've done well with 6 rabbits,2 squirrels and 2 pigeons,Problem is I've hit the rabbits with headshots(after checking once dead)but 4 rabbits carried on running and then a couple more hits to stop it from moving.I'm using Diabolo field 8.4 grains,I'd like a heavier pellet that doesn't loos too much height over 35 yrds,any suggestion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Try bisley magnums or H&N Barracudas if you want a heavy pellet, but to be honest if you were accurate enough those rabbits would be running nowhere whatever the pellet weight. Have a look in the fieldsports tv threads at the episode where they are shooting at a skinned rabbit head , it shows you how little room for error there is , its a real eye opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 A heavier pellet isn't the answer, you need to learn to shoot within your abilities so you can hit the animals in its tiny brain not just somewhere random on its much bigger head. Airguns haven't got the kinetic energy of powderburners so you've got to be precise. Get closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yozz Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 got the hw100s in 177 myself m8 bisley magnum or jsb exact heavy are good just started using jsb very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted December 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 mmm valid point about accuracy,i will get some sticks and try and stalk more.i'll think more carefully regarding even taking the shot. But the 2nd squirrel was easy 40 yrd headshot and it was dead before it left the branch My only thought was that I thought a .22 does more damage and is less likely to pass through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I think the phrase headshot is a bit misleading , brain shot would be a better description and a rabbits brain is tiny compared to the size of its head. a 22 will do more damage but is much harder to master and range estimation is even more critical , even so a 177 sized hole in the brain will kill a rabbit just as well as a 22 sized one ! The key is practice and lots of it with that HW100 you should be able to get every shot in a group the size of a 5p at 35 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furryba11 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I found using a decent hollow point can make a difference, I've been using the H&N hunter extreme for the last few months and they are really good. I'm still able to keep my hunting range 30 - 40 yards and so far 95% clean kills. Had one runner They didn't make a big difference in .22 but made a big difference in .177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) Try bisley magnums or H&N Barracudas if you want a heavy pellet, but to be honest if you were accurate enough those rabbits would be running nowhere whatever the pellet weight. Have a look in the fieldsports tv threads at the episode where they are shooting at a skinned rabbit head , it shows you how little room for error there is , its a real eye opener. Spot on with the fieldsports episode. What is the gun doing over the crono. Over 35 yds it needs to be around 11.5 ftlb. Bisley Mags at 10.5 gn are a good hard hitting pellet and are accurate. BSA Storms are hard hitting but not very accurate in some barrels. Best all rounder are vermin pell very accurate and do a lot of damage on impact. Dumping there kinetic energy in to the head of your target. Edited December 23, 2012 by NIGHT SEARCHER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 That a heavier pellet of a given calibre has more knock down power is pure fantasy. They all start off sub 12fpe, heavier pellets retain marginally more energy but what matters is the frontal area and the size of the hole it punches into the rabbit. A slow heavy pellet hitting a rabbit with say 9fpe and a fast light pellet hitting a rabbit with 9fpe equal exactly the same result if the calibre is the same. A bigger pellet with larger frontal area will do more damage and generally kill more easily. Go for the light pellet and gain the benefit of the flat trajectory that will make range estimation far more easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted December 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 O.K I'm a returnie to air,so I need to practice more consistancy and get the gun as stable as possible,which is the fieldsports episode as I've looked but can't find it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Crosman Premier Ultra Magnums, 10.5 grains, hit like a brick! I have taken several rabbits, pigeons and pheasants using them in a .177! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipper Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 as said ..... its about a well placed shot ive found RWS super domes to be very consistantly accurate in my Hw100 (177) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Go for the light pellet and gain the benefit of the flat trajectory that will make range estimation far more easy. That's the answer. Use whatever lets you hit the brain and the rabbit will die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipper Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) That's the answer. Use whatever lets you hit the brain and the rabbit will die. yep light and flat ......... if you want loopy heavy go for .22 Edited December 23, 2012 by snipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furryba11 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 No type of pellet can beat good shot placement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 O.K I'm a returnie to air,so I need to practice more consistancy and get the gun as stable as possible,which is the fieldsports episode as I've looked but can't find it? Its form 3 weeks ago pellet testing and rabbit shooting. Crosman premier ultra magnums are the same pellet has accu -pell. But vermin-pell are more accurate and do a lot more damage. RWS Superdomes are very good and accurate but. RWS Superfields are more accurate at long range head shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I used to have my Logun set up for Accupells but at closer ranges i was finding that over penetration was a problem, i switched to Logun Penetrators and oddly (bearing the name in mind) the problem stopped, the pellets seem to cause a lot more trauma and a runner is a very rare occassion Wurzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Hi all. I found the AA field pellets are very soft and can deflect off bone if you don't get it quite rite. I once watched the pellet bounce off a rabbits head at about 40 yards. it is also vital to hit the correct area needed for a 177 to kill cleanly. Try something like field target trophy as they seem to be a bit harder and penetrate better but arnt like a brick so have a reasonable trajectory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Hi all. I found the AA field pellets are very soft and can deflect off bone if you don't get it quite rite. I once watched the pellet bounce off a rabbits head at about 40 yards. it is also vital to hit the correct area needed for a 177 to kill cleanly. Try something like field target trophy as they seem to be a bit harder and penetrate better but arnt like a brick so have a reasonable trajectory Posted at 1 in the morning baby up then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Posted at 1 in the morning baby up then lol Yes mate need a quick change so I had a cuppa and a flick through whilst she settled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 JSB exacts heavies , well made and accurate too in most pcp's , then theres accupel 10.5gr also bisley mags , but i found in my rapid the loop was too great at 50 yards , so JSB's came out on top and same-ish weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehiscockplumb Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Just to add, my magnums pushed my 100 over @ 12.65. Not a lot, but not legal. I get brilliant results with jsb exacts in 4.53. .177. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Bisley Magnum or H+N Barracuda Match.Both are excellent pellets. ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 (edited) You don't need to be messing around with different pellet weights or makes. A 8.4 grn will do the job in clinical fashion out to 40 yards. Its purely shot placement. Find which pellet yours likes by testing. AA Field diablo, RWS superdome, Jsb exact. IMHO all these are top performers. Once you've found a pellet/head size your hw is pinhole accurate with, don't change. Look at the field sports video as suggested and you will see how accurate you have to be. If you can hit the mark they will drop like a stone. I use Air Arms field 8.4 grn 4.52 in both mine. This is just a couple we shot with them proving how effective they are in both my HW100 and S410. You'll notice with all of them especially the first of the 2 shot with the HW that my lad has to wait for the perfect shot and moment before pulling the trigger. Edited December 24, 2012 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 My HW100 in .177 Runs on Exterminator 9.50's My biggest Buck rabbit was stopped by a Defiant 4.52 @ 7.50 grains - right between the eyes BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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