swingit Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 one of the main things i cant understand is how a flying bird (pheasant) at 25yrds is classed as not sporting but a pigeon,woodcock,and any other legally shot bird at the same distance is classed as sporting I suppose it depends on ones own ability but,I personally,don't class a 25yrd pheasant as unsporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I suppose it depends on ones own ability but,I personally,don't class a 25yrd pheasant as unsporting. any guy on a driven shoot would disagree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 A sporting shot is one that makes the shooter feel that he has done well by hitting the target whether it be at 25 yards or 704 yards. It will be different for all shooters depending on level of skill, luck etc and just because somebody prefers a shorter shot doesn't mean they should be looked down upon and classed by the establishment as unsporting. One man's gold is another man's tat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 it all depends really we used to get the odd gun who thought it was ok to shoot pheasants between 10 and 15 yards, soon got told to stop or go home. There is no point just puffing up birds you have put down and making them inedible. Generally with sporting quarry it isn't a challenge if you shoot 100% all day so most pick the better birds. People on here either get the idea or they don't, its sad for those that don't but shows they haven't usually experienced much in the shooting world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 it all depends really we used to get the odd gun who thought it was ok to shoot pheasants between 10 and 15 yards, soon got told to stop or go home. There is no point just puffing up birds you have put down and making them inedible. Generally with sporting quarry it isn't a challenge if you shoot 100% all day so most pick the better birds. People on here either get the idea or they don't, its sad for those that don't but shows they haven't usually experienced much in the shooting world. But again this is referring only to driven pheasant which in the scheme of shotguns is a relatively large target. Regards Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 any guy on a driven shoot would disagree with you Not really, I could stand you in a drive where the birds are driven over a wood and over a power ride, you get no more that 30ft of view above so it i very much "snap" shooting but I bet the birds are not a lot more than 25 yards away but the hit rate is still low. Different drives/situations change the definition of a sporting shot in my view - shooting bolting rabbits when ferreting can be very challenging and they are not usually at long ranges but you don't know where the target is until it appears! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 But again this is referring only to driven pheasant which in the scheme of shotguns is a relatively large target. Regards Gixer The issue is though really between sporting quarry and vermin on the general license, sporting birds there is an ettiquette attached with most (outside PW) vermin there isn't such a thing and they get it whatever range regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ok, a different slant - you are walking the boundary of your shoot on a walked up day and a pheasant gets up and flies towards the boundary, would you leave it to go out of the boundary or would most keepers want it bagged? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 as a crosser I'd often shoot it but wouldn't turn it into a cloud of feathers by hammering it really close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 What is "Sporting", suggesting you only shoot at challenging birds which you have a greater chance of pricking rather than killing?! :hmm: As per the OP, Sporting remains undefined and in the individuals head (although there are some historical general practises) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Using a decoy in itself to bring birds close to you could be considered unsporting but as everyone on here has joined a pigeon forum then surely non of us are sporting shooters? I don't want to hear the old it's pest control thing, the only person who gives a toss about the crop is the farmer , we are just happy to get a free shot at them and if the farmer had a better means of keeping pigeons away he wouldn't give a toss either as its about the cheapest way possible. My answer to you Evo is: A sporting shot is any shot that you feel that you done well by getting it killed, Archie Coats shot pigeons on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingit Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 any guy on a driven shoot would disagree with you Hi evo. Some may,I agree,but I think alot would depend on the type of shoot you are on.I have been on a couple of little shoots/syndicates where if they could show 25yrd + birds all day they would be over the moon.A 25yrd + bird is not going to be smashed to bits and will still be perfectly ok for the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's the crossover between pest and paid shooting that creates the sporting and unsporting views in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Is it not all about ability,George Digweed shoots at ranges we all can only wish to, but for most of us we should only shoot within our limits regardless if it is a pigeon or a pheasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 What is "Sporting", suggesting you only shoot at challenging birds which you have a greater chance of pricking rather than killing?! :hmm: As per the OP, Sporting remains undefined and in the individuals head (although there are some historical general practises) have too agree with you there bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 What is "Sporting", suggesting you only shoot at challenging birds which you have a greater chance of pricking rather than killing?! :hmm: As per the OP, Sporting remains undefined and in the individuals head (although there are some historical general practises) from that Dekers it would suggest you only shoot at stationary birds as once they start moving you have a greater chance of missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 It appears that we all make our own decisions as to what is sporting, perhaps that's best, as we all have different abilities. If we killed every bird we shot at we would soon lose interest, "fish in a barrel" springs to mind, so we make a small compromise on the humane kills in order to maintain our interest. That's the nature of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) from that Dekers it would suggest you only shoot at stationary birds as once they start moving you have a greater chance of missing :hmm: :hmm: You have an interesting thought process sometimes! I rather think it means this overrated term Sporting is in the shooters head, I make no pretence at using the word and don't bandy it about as many with somewhat interesting morals tend to! I find little or nothing Sporting about a Pheasant shoot to start with, as I have said before, and if a bird comes in my direction it goes down, so long as I am shooting within the Shoot rules! I get enough challenging shooting from work, Pheasant shoots for me are social/fun gatherings, Sport (whatever that means) doesn't enter my head! As for pigeon, corvids, etc I have no problem shooting them on the ground if the situation presents, and the Pheasants/Partridge/ducks/geese on a rough shoot! Edited January 2, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 you'd get sent home from my rough shoot for shooting pheasants on the ground but its interesting how people vary in what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Oof! The keeper on most shoots wouldn't tolerate shooting a game bird on the ground! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Anything I shoot at is sporting anything my mate shoots at is unsporting imho BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) Oof! The keeper on most shoots wouldn't tolerate shooting a game bird on the ground! Regards, Gixer I don't shoot Game birds on the ground on Keepered Pheasant shoots, I would get my nuts chewed big time, that is nothing to do with being sporting, it is ground rules! They turn up all over the place and if I want one, and they are on the ground and there are no site rules against it, I'm sure as hell not going to put them up to make it harder! Edited January 2, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant1 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 i wish sometimes that the guns would finnish off a runner.saves looking for a wounded bird for half hour without a find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 if i was on a driven shoot, then i wouldnt shoot birds on the ground, thats just daft. If i was in a field, and saw a pheasant i wanted, ground or no ground, its getting ball in sock!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I don't shoot Game birds on the ground on Keepered Pheasant shoots, I would get my nuts chewed big time, that is nothing to do with being sporting, it is ground rules! They turn up all over the place and if I want one, and they are on the ground and there are no site rules against, it I'm sure as hell not going to put them up to make it harder! So your not a sporting shot then or have little self confidence in your shooting ability , IMHO of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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