activeviii Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 bit of a strange one for me and im not sure on the take of it so asking I have a little patch of land that i stalk on with 6.5x55. its on a very good slope so well suited for walking and stalking. I have just had a phone call from firearms licencing to say my ticket is ready for collection and the 6.5x55 has been unrestricted, But! i was told that the patch of land is for high seat only. how do i stand on that, excuse the pun. I shot it last year stalking on foot but now told it was high seat only. When i spoke to the PC that checked the land a few years ago he was happy i knew what i was doing but was worried that one the land is open to 6.5x55 that it makes it open to anyone, even someone that might not be as competent as myself at assessing the safe shot. I was told by the PC that it 'might' be a condition added but there was no other talk of it until this phone call today from the licencing manager. I have an unrestricted FAC so what would your take be on this. I know what im thinking but i would like others input for the correct 'lawful' answer Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 the way i would look at it is they dont want you walking around shooting from different angles i had this on a permission before where the land i shot on could only be shot in a certain direction cannot say it interrupted my shooting as i am very careful and just got on with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 If you're FAC is unrestricted then they are talking rubbish, you and you alone have the ability to make that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Have I got this right? In essence, you are asking which assessment of the land overrides the other: Yours, as an Open FAC holder, or that of the Firearms Dep't. Without knowing the lawful answer, I would say the latter case rules. Your FAC entitles you to assess unchecked land but for the reasons indicated by the PC, everyone should comply with the restrictions deemed necessary by the licensing authority. On safety grounds, it's necessary for them to work to the lowest common denominator. The only way around it would be for the Dep't to add an exemption condition for open FAC holders. Unlikely as this would be tantamount to admitting that their guy had got it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 If you're FAC is unrestricted then they are talking rubbish, you and you alone have the ability to make that decision. Here, Here well said that man atb flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Who told you the land was high seat only? Has any condition been placed on your FAC? If your FAC is now unrestricted with no conditions then the shot choice is 100% yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Who told you the land was high seat only? The licensing manager did today. I'd just add that I was careful to avoid saying what I thought about the condition and extremely careful to avoid saying how it would affect me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 the other way of looking at it is their guy placed the restriction on for a less experiences shooter to err on the safe side. Once they give you an unrestricted ticket with the onus on you to ensure safety you aren't bound by any conditions. If its not written on your ticket it doesn't apply, and would be unenforceable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 the land was checked when i first applied for 6.5x55 for stalking. i had to tie land to rifle and it was this patch in question. Land was checked, via goggle earth while talking to the PC who was checking land. he said he knew it well, as did I, so he was happy for me to shoot, but he was worried about opening it up for everyone with permission. he said then that he 'might' put the condition on. but it never was. i put in for a few changes on my FAC and one was opening up the 6.5. i had a call from the licencing manager,today, to say ticket was ready and just a reminder that on his paperwork it says 'highseat only' on this patch of land. it isnt a biggie really as i only shoot it a couple times a year, i wanted open for other areas i have stalking on. but i dont want to get it wrong. the licencing department arent worth the phone call as they phone other people to asked their advice on issues.lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Ask them too much and they might just get the wording right and add an except xyz land which is for highseat use only or similar. This way they would have no legal basis to stop you shooting however you like, all safety considerations are down to you anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 the land was checked when i first applied for 6.5x55 for stalking. i had to tie land to rifle and it was this patch in question. Land was checked, via goggle earth while talking to the PC who was checking land. he said he knew it well, as did I, so he was happy for me to shoot, but he was worried about opening it up for everyone with permission. he said then that he 'might' put the condition on. but it never was. i put in for a few changes on my FAC and one was opening up the 6.5. i had a call from the licencing manager,today, to say ticket was ready and just a reminder that on his paperwork it says 'highseat only' on this patch of land. it isnt a biggie really as i only shoot it a couple times a year, i wanted open for other areas i have stalking on. but i dont want to get it wrong. the licencing department arent worth the phone call as they phone other people to asked their advice on issues.lol. It doesn't matter what he has on any piece of paper. If you have an unrestricted FAC with NO conditions the choice is yours not theres! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I have a backpack high seat so not overly a problem, it just seamed very strage to me. there is no mention of it on the FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I'd just crack on. There are plenty of places on that land where you can take a safe shot from the ground. The chances of ever being seen shooting there are slim. The chances of being checked out are even slimmer and the chances of the person checking you out going past the point of reading your permission slip and seeing your open conditions are next to nothing. Even if they did I can't see what it's got to do with them now they've removed your restrictions anyway?! Just go out and shoot the deer so you can make me some more pate! On a side note now you can shoot your 6.5 over all my ground. That's not a bad result in itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 The only restrictions fac holders are subject to are the ones written on their fac's. If your fac is "open" then that's it. It's open. Land that is subject to a high seat only restriction would have this restriction in place for closed certificate holders who would have this condition written on their fac if that particular patch was their primary land. That said, we as "open" certificate holders have an obligation to ensure that the shots we take are safe and sometimes the only way to ensure that a shot is safe is to use a high seat. Remember that "open" certificate holders still have to nominate one patch of land suitable (cleared) for their chosen caliber. Problems such as this would be exasperated if such a patch of land was your "nominated" land. If this is the case it would be better to nominate another area that has been cleared for your 6.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 is it possible to have an open liscence for some calibres and not others....... if you have one calibre that is not on land does it mean you wont get it open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Ask David BASC on here, better safe than sorry. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I would agree, it all depends on what conditions are written on your licence, however, I have seen licences issues saying 'deer only to be shot from a high seat' OK for woodland in Sussex, stuff all use on the hill!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 bit of a strange one for me and im not sure on the take of it so asking I have a little patch of land that i stalk on with 6.5x55. its on a very good slope so well suited for walking and stalking. I have just had a phone call from firearms licencing to say my ticket is ready for collection and the 6.5x55 has been unrestricted, But! i was told that the patch of land is for high seat only. how do i stand on that, excuse the pun. I shot it last year stalking on foot but now told it was high seat only. When i spoke to the PC that checked the land a few years ago he was happy i knew what i was doing but was worried that one the land is open to 6.5x55 that it makes it open to anyone, even someone that might not be as competent as myself at assessing the safe shot. I was told by the PC that it 'might' be a condition added but there was no other talk of it until this phone call today from the licencing manager. I have an unrestricted FAC so what would your take be on this. I know what im thinking but i would like others input for the correct 'lawful' answer Phil Firstly the open conditions on my rifles mean I can shoot on land were it has not been inspected OR inspected for lesser cals only. They can put whatever restrictions they wish but you cant really say "unrestricted" If they say you can only shoot between 12:00 noon and 2:00 pm and must dress like Noddy its legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 is it possible to have an open liscence for some calibres and not others....... AFAIK yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 is it possible to have an open license for some calibers and not others....... if you have one calibre that is not on land does it mean you wont get it open I had 4 rifles on unrestricted, but they restricted the 6.5 for some strange reason. all now unrestricted with all other lawful quarry. the condition was a verbal one on the phone, I have had. as well as others, some very strange conversations with the manager. I think David has been contacted already by a member with time issues on land checks. Same manager. Neil you need to go shoot something first before you get pate.hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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