cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 One of my rifles has gone funny and wont shoot. Previously a .5in group Now inch and a half group. So lets build a list of things for me to check. I home load but its the same batch of ammo. Bore has been checked with a bore scope and cleaned by steve kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Scope or mounts ? Silencer clipping ? Something between stock and barrel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Nut at rear of stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Crown? Unless that was checked with the bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elk hunter Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Are your home loads all in the same brand of brass, as a mixture of brasses can result in change of accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Nut at rear of stock? Not wanting to inflate my ego but its deffinetly not me. Are your home loads all in the same brand of brass, as a mixture of brasses can result in change of accuracy. Yes, im quite anal about it to. Everything is loaded to as tight tollarance as i can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Old brass! I have had it happen on old brass. Action been out of stock? Bolt touching the stock! The slightest contact there is catastophic. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Old brass! I have had it happen on old brass. Action been out of stock? Bolt touching the stock! The slightest contact there is catastophic. U. Yes actions been out. Actions been beded to try resolve this. Someone had sanded the stock down under the barrel and not sealed it. It got wet and swelled so i sanded it some more sealed it and bedded it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 If that's the only thing that has changed that must be problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Actions back in a bedded stock. Problem is the same. Other thing thats diffrent is the mod. Had the 30cal T8 on. Borght a 6mm T8 for it Then relised it was shooting ****. Swapped mods round but its made no diffrence. Problem still the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yes actions been out. Actions been beded to try resolve this. Someone had sanded the stock down under the barrel and not sealed it. It got wet and swelled so i sanded it some more sealed it and bedded it. I thought you only bedded the action? Yes actions been out. Actions been beded to try resolve this. Someone had sanded the stock down under the barrel and not sealed it. It got wet and swelled so i sanded it some more sealed it and bedded it. I thought you only supposed to bed the action ? Oops dont know why I said it twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 I thought you only bedded the action? I thought you only supposed to bed the action ? Oops dont know why I said it twice Sorry for not been clear. I have only bedded the action. The stock under the barrel was sanded out and sealed with nail varnish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Ok just a thought,having read through another post after in a different section you posted in I guessed you knew what you were doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Ok just a thought,having read through another post after in a different section you posted in I guessed you knew what you were doing The post you read could have been mine,i dont know what im doing.you tube shows the bedding of action and 1" of the barrel chamber end ,then another riffle smith beds the whole barrel full length of the stock which i find confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 The post you read could have been mine,i dont know what im doing.you tube shows the bedding of action and 1" of the barrel chamber end ,then another riffle smith beds the whole barrel full length of the stock which i find confusing. Yhpm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Would it be in bad taste if i said parkinsons?I think it would be,so i wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Would it be in bad taste if i said parkinsons?I think it would be,so i wont. Hope not. Im only young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yes actions been out. Actions been beded to try resolve this. Someone had sanded the stock down under the barrel and not sealed it. It got wet and swelled so i sanded it some more sealed it and bedded it. Just how much clearance do you have between barrel and channel? Somewhere between 1/16&1/8" is needed! If that load was developed on an unfloated barrel and now you have a semi/floated barrel it may be of no use now! Can/did you try with no can on? It's weight may change the barrels interaction on the stock etc. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) Just how much clearance do you have between barrel and channel? Somewhere between 1/16&1/8" is needed! If that load was developed on an unfloated barrel and now you have a semi/floated barrel it may be of no use now! Can/did you try with no can on? It's weight may change the barrels interaction on the stock etc. U. More then 1/8th of an inch. That load was done with a floated barrel. Tride with 6mm T8 and .30cal T8. 30 cal shoots slightly better but not great. No mod shoots mostly the same but chucks the odd good group out aswell. Edited March 3, 2013 by cockercas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 This is the hornet, yes? Have you ensured bedding it has left the action stress free? Yes, but only by standing the gun on the butt and losening/tightening the action screws. No movement in the barrel. A thorough cleaning may also have upset it, did steve clear the carbon AND copper? My 222 takes a fair bit of shooting back in after copper removal so i dont do it very often, the barrel,is quite old and rather worn so my copper is proving beneficial. Yes steve gave it a good going over but it had started shooting poor before hand thats why steve cleaned/bore scoped it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Steve is a top bloke. He knows his stuff I am wondering what his prognosis was??? Did he hand it back to you and quickly look the other way ;-) I assume all other avenues have been covered. Nuts bolts scope all good Tried using a different scope??? 1.5 inch at 100. I think you need to start and improve your stalking skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Why not clamp the gun, and try a group like that. That will tell you if its the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Just try shooting it without a moddy at all fitted, then if no change clean and service the bolt, then new brass, then new powder. Only do one thing at a time till you find the issue. However we all have off days and it isn't always the equipment the day after one of my poorest competitive performances I came down with an breathing related infection, stress can play a massive part in things also- is there maybe a big event happening? work issues? I don't know Steve Kershaws work but he seems to have a reputation over that way so I assume he has done the usual crown and contact points thing from what you describe, its hard to prove a barrel has gone bad through bore- scoping if things have not seriously let go . some look real bad but shoot just great, others look fine but are not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Steve is a top bloke. He knows his stuff I am wondering what his prognosis was??? Did he hand it back to you and quickly look the other way ;-) I assume all other avenues have been covered. Nuts bolts scope all good Tried using a different scope??? 1.5 inch at 100. I think you need to start and improve your stalking skills. Steve just cleaned/scoped it while i was having a brew at his just because i had it in my head that it was the bore. Its a second hand rifle and was in the shop a while. Steve is a top bloke. He knows his stuff I am wondering what his prognosis was??? Did he hand it back to you and quickly look the other way ;-) I assume all other avenues have been covered. Nuts bolts scope all good Tried using a different scope??? 1.5 inch at 100. I think you need to start and improve your stalking skills. Steve just cleaned/scoped it while i was having a brew at his just because i had it in my head that it was the bore. Its a second hand rifle and was in the shop a while. 100% not user error. Only spare scope i have is sat ontop of a mates rifle. Edited March 4, 2013 by cockercas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Wanna buy a scope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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