yet another 'gang' grooming case

[pegasus bridge]

Good article from the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10060570/Oxford-grooming-gang-We-will-regret-ignoring-Asian-thugs-who-target-white-girls.html

[karpman]

Cheers mate interesting read one I shared on my Facebook page.

 

Karpman

[pg123]

Very good read. Very sad that we allow this to happen.

[castletyne]

Maybe in 500 years their backward religion will catch up but i doubt it

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

Bravo the Telegraph for having the nuts to word and print it the way they have.

 

What is this Country coming to.

[evo]

wonder what the sentances will be,, probably 100hrs community service and £50 fine,

[goodo123]

Racism is serious and wrong. BUT it has too large a definition. If we took all the examples people claim to be racism it would be equal to saying that if you **** to loudly its attempt to gas someone or if you shout at someone it's attempted murder. Racism cases should be gone through with a fine tooth combe and prove without reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty. Rather than he/she trying to prove their innocence as with all other cases.

 

Also mospeople on here have seen a great leaniancy towards ethnic or other religious people in the court of law. WHY???. They live in the same country, have the same laws, same protection (some cases more) same health cover etc etc. It's up to them if they want to enforce further ideals or laws upon their way of life but they cannot go against the ones set down for everyone else.

 

Using your religion/how you learnt as an excuse for disobeying these laws is ridiculas. If they genuinely didn't know what they did was wrong then they either need deporting to a country where their laws apply or they need their head checking.

 

Mods if you read this post please read it carefully it doesn't in no way incite racism.

[Penelope]

Regarding your second paragraph, IMO it's the liberal elite's (the left) misplaced guilt over Britain once having an empire.

 

A shocking case, like all the other's, but should we be suprised. The Telegraph's article has nailed it!

 

Racism is serious and wrong. BUT it has too large a definition. If we took all the examples people claim to be racism it would be equal to saying that if you **** to loudly its attempt to gas someone or if you shout at someone it's attempted murder. Racism cases should be gone through with a fine tooth combe and prove without reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty. Rather than he/she trying to prove their innocence as with all other cases.

Also mospeople on here have seen a great leaniancy towards ethnic or other religious people in the court of law. WHY???. They live in the same country, have the same laws, same protection (some cases more) same health cover etc etc. It's up to them if they want to enforce further ideals or laws upon their way of life but they cannot go against the ones set down for everyone else.

Using your religion/how you learnt as an excuse for disobeying these laws is ridiculas. If they genuinely didn't know what they did was wrong then they either need deporting to a country where their laws apply or they need their head checking.

Mods if you read this post please read it carefully it doesn't in no way incite racism.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Penelope

[Mungler]

The cure remains within that culture / religion in the form of educating and freeing their women.

 

It's not that simple when going to school can get you shot.

[pegasus bridge]

Its symptomatic of poor integration that we see this, there was a good bit on yesterdays Jeremy Vine show , the only guest who called who called it out was an Imam from oxford. Fair play to him, and I hope he can start the process within his community to actually deal with this. On the same show a white woman regurgitated the usual drivel that would just not acknowledge the factors at play.

[old rooster]

What has been unearthed is no doubt just the tip of a very big iceberg. It will only get worse as we allow more and more scum like this to live here.

[neillfrbs]

scum bags ,they will prob get 100 hours comunity service,they will play the old race card.if it was the other way around would be different.

[Livefast123]

Fair play to the Telegraph for actually calling a spade a spade.

 

There is no excuse for these filthy crimes, whatever your religion. Hopefully they will be dealt with via long custodial sentences.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Livefast123

[Livefast123]

[leeds chimp]

Use to hear of this in Bradford 15 years ago

[Twistedsanity]

Interesting how the press can spin this into a race issue considering the events that are still unfolding around Jimmy Saville and co at this moment , its a vile disgusting sick people issue not restricted to any particular race or religion in society, it happens in every country throughout every class and profession regardless of the religious orientation

[Penelope]

The Telegraph article mentions a number of arrests made in Bradford this year, so another case in the offing.

 

Use to hear of this in Bradford 15 years ago

[pegasus bridge]

Interesting how the press can spin this into a race issue considering the events that are still unfolding around Jimmy Saville and co at this moment , its a vile disgusting sick people issue not restricted to any particular race or religion in society, it happens in every country throughout every class and profession regardless of the religious orientation

 

cut and pasted from the guardian?

 

Saville et al was a case of people using celebrity to abuse children.

 

bradford / rotherham/ derby / oxford / london etc is a case of GROUPs of men, predominantly from a pakistani, muslim backround, operating together, targeting vulnerable white girls to be abused.

 

Both are disgusting acts, and need to be tackled, looking at the Modus Operandi of the offenders - lets not be so stupid to mix them up and avoid dealing with the factors that lead to this. A head in the sand approach will not help here.

Edited May 16, 2013 by pegasus bridge

[philscreens]

The chief Con and the head of Social Services say that they wont be resigning. No they should be sacked

[ferguson_tom]

Dont think the press have spun it all, no matter how wrong Jimmy Saville etc where it was for their own personal satisfaction not what these predominantly Pakistani Muslim groups of men are doing where they are treating the women as their own personal property. The fact that once these girls are broken they are pimped out to other groups of men of normally the same ethnic origin just proves this small percentage of still feel women are lesser and for use as they wish. To ignore the fact that this sort of thing is predominately the same people of the same religious origin would be naive and dangerous. In no way am i saying that all muslim pakistani men are like this just this pattern is too strong for the police and also the communities and their spiritual leaders to ignore.

 

Interesting how the press can spin this into a race issue considering the events that are still unfolding around Jimmy Saville and co at this moment , its a vile disgusting sick people issue not restricted to any particular race or religion in society, it happens in every country throughout every class and profession regardless of the religious orientation

[Twistedsanity]

That's my point, the factors that lead to abuse are not down to race or religion or money or status and if it is to be tackled we need to loose this " divide and conquer" racist attitude that is being portrayed by the media, singling out one group of people has done nothing historically to stop this happening to date and never will (but it sells papers ) we need to view all and any peadophiles the same and find a way to treat the cause of the problem rather than the western philosophy we seem to carry of finding a sticky plaster to cover the wound, we have been accustomed to treating the symptoms of things rather than finding the cause and treating that , and religious preferences and skin colours are clearly not the cause here , my post above wasn't cut and pasted from any media , I don't think I have ever read the guardian

[pegasus bridge]

That's my point, the factors that lead to abuse are not down to race or religion or money or status and if it is to be tackled we need to loose this " divide and conquer" racist attitude that is being portrayed by the media, singling out one group of people has done nothing historically to stop this happening to date and never will (but it sells papers ) we need to view all and any peadophiles the same and find a way to treat the cause of the problem rather than the western philosophy we seem to carry of finding a sticky plaster to cover the wound, we have been accustomed to treating the symptoms of things rather than finding the cause and treating that , and religious preferences and skin colours are clearly not the cause here , my post above wasn't cut and pasted from any media , I don't think I have ever read the guardian

 

 

to pay no particular attention to specific groups of people, with a particular MO to offending (because of perceived 'sensitivities' around race / religion / fame / money ) is stupidity, it does a huge dis-service to the victims, and actually the wider communities involved to not tackle this.

[keg]

All good points but let's also nail the men who used these girls as well. They are just as bad for using these girls.

 

Let's also challenge and prosecute the care home workers who sat and watched at least one girl walk up to a car and get in and drive off over 100 times and then when this poor ( I think 12 year old) can't afford to pay for a taxi back, they again allowed her to be driven off.

 

I draw the same conclusions when those that have only looked at photos online get a community sentence. That is still someone's child!

[pegasus bridge]

All good points but let's also nail the men who used these girls as well. They are just as bad for using these girls.

 

Let's also challenge and prosecute the care home workers who sat and watched at least one girl walk up to a car and get in and drive off over 100 times and then when this poor ( I think 12 year old) can't afford to pay for a taxi back, they again allowed her to be driven off.

 

I draw the same conclusions when those that have only looked at photos online get a community sentence. That is still someone's child!

 

i agree, those who allowed this to happen, either through incompetence, apathy or 'cultural sensitivities' need to be held accountable.

[Nial]

i agree, those who allowed this to happen, either through incompetence, apathy or 'cultural sensitivities' need to be held accountable.

 

From what I understand (from reading the Inspector Gadget blog) the care home staff can't lay a hand on the kids or

they'll get accused of assault, so the kids do what they want.

 

If the kids don't return by the time they are supposed to the care home staff are responsible, so they phone the police, who

then have to put resources into finding them.

 

It's payback for the 'rights / blame' culture that's developed over the last X years.

 

Nial.