The life of a drug addict ...

[Jega]

Right then enough of this ******** about how "hard done to the smack heads are". From the age of about 12(i'm now 56 ) I've had it drilled into me that drugs are a one way street to no-where. Presumably these scumbags had the same message drilled into them .Therefore they have made their own informed choice LET EM ALL DIE.

[evo]

compairing heroin and alcohol the same as someone who smokes is shallow and also obviously someone who is an ex smoker or someone who hasn,t got a clue,

 

to say tax it (drugs) get back in the real world

 

heroin is a society and family wrecker, also alcohol causes problems, but when do you hear of a smoker robbing houses to supply his 20 a day habbit :lol: never heard such rubbish,

 

give them it on the nhs are you for real the nhs is on the bones of its **** already and do you think it will cure the problem,,NOT A CHANCE,

 

as a kid it was drummed into me not to get involved with drugs, I had good mates that took it , but did I take it ,,no I didn,t, why because I had respect for my parents RESPECT FOR MY PARENTS

 

these ********,s have no respect for anyone even themselves,they don't care how much of a burden on society they become because they have NO RESPECT

 

let them ROT , JAIL them if breaking the law and get them clean whilst in jail, and if they come out and persist in robbing pensioners ,houses,,buisness,s,cars, then sod it HANG THE FREAKS

 

I,ve got no sympathy for anyone these days that take drugs, none whatsoever,my kids have grown up and not one of them has taken class A or class B drugs,,why you may ask,,,

 

Because they respect their parents and have realised just how hard we have worked to give them the life they have had,

 

and do you know what ,,,, they are all in full time employment and have been since they finished their A levels,

 

PROUD TO BE A RESPECTABLE PARENT

[Bleeh]

compairing heroin and alcohol the same as someone who smokes is shallow and also obviously someone who is an ex smoker or someone who hasn,t got a clue,

 

to say tax it (drugs) get back in the real world

 

heroin is a society and family wrecker, also alcohol causes problems, but when do you hear of a smoker robbing houses to supply his 20 a day habbit :lol: never heard such rubbish,

 

give them it on the nhs are you for real the nhs is on the bones of its **** already and do you think it will cure the problem,,NOT A CHANCE,

 

as a kid it was drummed into me not to get involved with drugs, I had good mates that took it , but did I take it ,,no I didn,t, why because I had respect for my parents RESPECT FOR MY PARENTS

 

these ********,s have no respect for anyone even themselves,they don't care how much of a burden on society they become because they have NO RESPECT

 

let them ROT , JAIL them if breaking the law and get them clean whilst in jail, and if they come out and persist in robbing pensioners ,houses,,buisness,s,cars, then sod it HANG THE FREAKS

 

I,ve got no sympathy for anyone these days that take drugs, none whatsoever,my kids have grown up and not one of them has taken class A or class B drugs,,why you may ask,,,

 

Because they respect their parents and have realised just how hard we have worked to give them the life they have had,

 

and do you know what ,,,, they are all in full time employment and have been since they finished their A levels,

 

PROUD TO BE A RESPECTABLE PARENT

A nice mix between Nazi eugenics and Sharia law.

 

At the end of the day, you've got to accept the fact that nothing you can ever do will stop the production and taking of drugs. You can either tax, and control the supply, or leave it in the hands of criminals.

Edited June 29, 2013 by Bleeh

[evo]

drugs will always be in the hands of criminals, from the bottom of the ladder all the way to the top,,nothing we say will ever change that,not even governments,

 

Nazi eugenics and sharia law think you have been watching to many documentary,s

 

the governments know where the stuff is grown, do they try to control its growth no they don't their is too much money involved,

 

anyone who got involved into drugs (heroin) in the late 70,s early 80,s did not really know the damage the stuff could do, but now 40yrs later we all know the damage it can do and has done so if they choose to take heroin then I personally do not have any sorrow for them,they are total idiots who think they can just do what they want in this world and get everything handed to them on a plate, just look at the state of them they do look like zombies and behave like them also, you will not get any sympathy from me where drug addicts are concerned,

 

let them rot or overdose, I do not care for them in any way and never will,

 

now for your view (Nazi and sharia) well if that's what you think then you have your choice and opinions but if I had my way I would stick them all on a pacific island and drop a nuke on the lot of them just to make the world a cleaner and better place,

 

if you don't agree with MY OPINION then tuff,,its MY opinion

[pegasus bridge]

I'm all for giving exisiting addicts 'free' drugs to reduce crime, as long as this was done in exchange for long lasting chemical contraceptives. The real human trajedy for me is the children who find themselves in this cycle of feckless stupidity.

[Bleeh]

drugs will always be in the hands of criminals, from the bottom of the ladder all the way to the top,,nothing we say will ever change that,not even governments,

This simply isn't true. Look at Alcohol in the 1920's in the United States with prohibition. The reason you shop at Tesco's is because it's cheap, if Waitrose became cheaper, with it's better quality, you'd shop there instead, it's simple economics.

 

Nazi eugenics and sharia law think you have been watching to many documentary,s

Forcing sterilization and killing everyone you think is immoral is pretty much a heavy factor in both ideologies.

 

the governments know where the stuff is grown, do they try to control its growth no they don't their is too much money involved,

Again, yes they do. It's very expensive and it's called 'The war on drugs'. For a while we tried burning and controlling the opium poppy fields in Afghanistan but that just created massive resistance to their presence (as it was the backbone in both rural life, forcing many families into deeper poverty). We spend millions on customs searching for drugs.

America has a huge presence in Mexico for similar reasons, and the result is insanely dangerous cartels and lots of innocents dead, plus billions of wasted tax payers money.

Same in south America.

 

It's not about trying to stop the problem it's about trying to cure it. You've got a bunch of desperate junkies, forgetting your "Unit 731" idea, you can either letting them roam about randomly robbing people for drug money, producing children by the boatload and wasting state money, or you could force the supply into the hands of educated Doctors and try and help them sort out there lives, even if this failed it would still cost less and the saved money could be spent on better things.

 

The whole point in an open forum is for the discussion of opinions, if you don't want to have a conversation about stuff don't post it on online forums?

 

 

Anyway, I'm done talking about this now.

[spanj]

Great why not just give them enough to kill themselves in one quick go eh! how much does legalised alcohol or baccy save the NHS then answers on a bigoted postcard please.

 

Oh I forgot everyone who smokes and drinks pays tax, or maybe we can bash those on benefit as well the one and only answer is to stop drugs getting into the country, easy done but not really suiting everyone? so lets kick to bits the addict till he tells you were he got his fix, kick to bits the supplier to the addict, when he tells kick to bits who supplied him,then kick to bits the next up etc etc, ooh er it starts to get hard, at the top , politicians police big buisiness start to come into play so the demand to find out stops, so lets simply go back round and just blame the poor kid who's life is wrecked.

 

KW

yeah, I suppose nothing should be done then eh. Poor kid, really ? Your definition of poor and mine must be 2 different things, I dont know how much this stuff costs but I bet its considerably more than a pack of fags or a night on the booze. Lets not forget its a choice thing and if you've not got the mental capacity to realise that heroin will kill you after its ruined all relationships first, then there really is very little point in going on is there

[fl206]

I don't usually post on the forum: much prefer to just browse and read. I'm on a queue so apologies if the comment seems out of sync.

 

I notice that many (not all) are placing the burden/blame on the addicts themselves, with the taking of drugs being a thought-out choice. There have been suggestions of legalising drugs/taxation/Government controlled supply. Yet if we agree that narcotics are wrong, and that drug-abusers are a burden on society, is it not better to focus on the supply of the drugs and suppliers?

 

In comparison, there are many examples of addicts being jailed for petty crimes such as theft, or possession, but how often do we hear of drug dealers and suppliers being incarcerated?

 

Probably not the best topic I could have chosen to place my first post on!

[Twistedsanity]

To clear some of the propoganda driven drivel some of the posters on here have swallowed hook line and sinker heroin does not kill people, overdoses due to impure heroin brought on the streets and diseases caused by dirty needles are the things that kill heroin addicts , give out a supply of cheap pure heroin and clean needles and addicts could live a long, normal and productive life just like everyone else does without resorting to crime.

prohibition is responsible for the deaths and thefts the media portray as part of the " junkie culture" that everyone seems to believe in and swallow as fact . Do you think people wake up one morning and think " I know, I think ill become a drug addict" or " I think ill overdoes and kill myself today" maybe " ill turn to a life of crime and steal things for fun" ? These people made a very bad choice in their life at some point and are now suffering as a result of it ( we have all made bad choices of one description or another somewhere along the line, its just that the consequences we suffered weren't as bad) , Americas top most innovative surgeon who we credit with many of the life saving techniques still in use today was found after he retired to have been addicted to opiates all of his life , addiction is addiction be it sex, drugs, gambling, alcohol or even Christ ( the dictionary definition of addiction used to state " addiction to Christ") as an example much to the disgust of the church

In response to one of the above posts about opium production in Afghanistan it has increased sevenfold since we have had our troops " guarding" the poppy fields rather than become eradicated or cut down as you would like to think, the WHO keeps tabs on opium production as its one of the best painkillers known to man , I could suggest some reading backed up by facts to substantiate what I have written in this post but I get the feeling most folk prefer the blinkered propoganda they like to spout venomously to any kind of real world facts concerning addiction, funny how if a man becomes addicted to accumulation of wealth and money to the detriment of anything else we parade him as a hero and put him on the cover of magazines yet if its drugs some of us want to sterilise him and gas him eh?

[evo]

see there we go again, stating facts about other countries, I,m not interested in what other countries and what they do because 99% of their governments are bent and full of corruption,

 

The reason you shop at Tesco's is because it's cheap, I,m sorry but I do not drink alcohol not because I don't agree with drinking it but because I don't like the after affects,even after 2 x wine and sodas, hangovers and me do not get on, I also have never bought alcohol from a shop or supermarket in my life,and I,m 49 now.

 

 

Forcing sterilization and killing everyone I have not once mentioned sterilization, fantastic idea though , yes I do agree with getting rid of EVERY SINGLE persistent heroin user by whatever means, they make everyone,s life a misery

'The war on drugs' why should we spend millions burning drugs in other countries when their governments support its growth,

instead we should tighten up our own borders and stop this junk getting in,,yes I know we wont stop it all but it will certainly help and once the supply is stopped then the users will have nothing to use, don't ask me how to do this because I just don't know,

 

The whole point in an open forum is for the discussion of opinions, if you don't want to have a conversation about stuff don't post it on online forums? bleeh,,, I am not the one who has resorted to calling people Nazi,s,,,, a very strong name to call someone who has never agreed with their policies

 

as I stated in my post if you don't like my opinion Tuff, we are allowed to give our opinions and there is nothing that you have said that makes me think differently,

 

if YOU cant accept peoples opinions and have to resort to name calling then I seriously think its YOU who should not be posting on a public forum

 

kettle black springs to mind,,oh sorry you,ll probably call me racist now :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[evo]

I don't usually post on the forum: much prefer to just browse and read. I'm on a queue so apologies if the comment seems out of sync.

 

I notice that many (not all) are placing the burden/blame on the addicts themselves, with the taking of drugs being a thought-out choice. There have been suggestions of legalising drugs/taxation/Government controlled supply. Yet if we agree that narcotics are wrong, and that drug-abusers are a burden on society, is it not better to focus on the supply of the drugs and suppliers?

 

In comparison, there are many examples of addicts being jailed for petty crimes such as theft, or possession, but how often do we hear of drug dealers and suppliers being incarcerated?

 

Probably not the best topic I could have chosen to place my first post on!

welcome to pigeon watch

[Vipa]

If we made heroin legal would we just not have more smack heads. More folks with huge cists on there arms and more problems.

Cheap drugs is not an answer its only 10 quid a wrap as it is. A country were it is ok to do heroin is not a place I would like to live, and do you honestly think these people give a stuff about clean needles aids or anything else for that matter.

They sacrificed there soles the first time they stuck that **** in there arms.

Karpman

The fact drugs are illegal is quite possibly an additional factor in making trying it attractive! I remember when I was 16/17 I used to go out drinking on a weekend (looked old for my age) when I turned 18 I stopped as it lost its attraction. Part of the draw for me was the fact that I shouldn't have been doing it! Just to add there, I don't mean getting wasted.. I have never liked getting drunk!

 

Just because something is legal doesn't mean more people will do it! remember, we are not talking about dangling loaded syringes on the ends of the isles in Tesco! They would be prescribed and controlled but the key is they would be affordable to addicts without them having to resort to petty crime, the needles would be clean and the product would be of known quality, source and strength thus reducing the chance dramatically of disease, overdose and poisoning. At the same time the business would be taken away from the dealers, the smugglers and quite probably the cartels too. Take the pushers and the dealers out of the equation and you would have far fewer addicts as kids wouldn't have drugs forced on them in the playground as there would be no benefit to the criminal element in creating an addict in the first place.

 

I recon, if every nation took the same approach (the difficult bit) the global illegal drug problem would be minimal within 2 generations. Even if they didn't follow our lead, our domestic problem would be much reduced and I haven't even started to think about the the potential tax purse and reduced healthcare and welfare costs.. The biggest benefit though would be to therest of our society.. Crime would be dramatically reduced and society would be a better place all round!

Edited June 30, 2013 by Vipa

[malantone]

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'The war on drugs' why should we spend millions burning drugs in other countries when their governments support its growth,

instead we should tighten up our own borders and stop this junk getting in,,yes I know we wont stop it all but it will certainly help and once the supply is stopped then the users will have nothing to use, don't ask me how to do this because I just don't know,

 

don't ask you We are an island, how do you propose we tighten our borders? how many thousand miles of coast line have we got to police? it is an impossible task to prevent smuggling in this country.

the border agencies have been trying for centuries, the lengths smugglers go to is incredible. it doesn`t all come thro` customs controlled areas.

 

Governments should take control of the supply by buying up the harvests, then make it available clean and reasonably priced under a controlled system.

[TaxiDriver]

this comment aimed to those who say

"why not produce/sell a legal and safe dose of heroin" which would go some way to alleviate the dangers of dirty needles and diseases?

 

They do Methadone programmes to try and ease addicts off the heroin, taken in liquid form so no needles required, available on prescription only thus is controlled and no money required from petty crime as the sort who need it get free scripts no doubt.

 

Drub/substance abuse has been around aslong as mankind and always will be, All you can do is to try and manage the effects by various means/methods

[JonathanL]

The problem is whether it is Government supplied or bought on the streets, the addicts will still thieve, commit burglaries and rob people to fund their purchase.

 

No they won't because it would be free not sold to them. If they are getting it for free then they don't need to steal to buy it.

 

There are some unbelievably heartless and distasteful comments on here - I mean bordering on the irrational. How on earth anyone can blame the addict who's addiction stemmed from the fact that her mother prostituted her at the age of eight for her own downfall is completely beyond me. In fact it's a pretty sick sort of attitude, to be honest.

 

J.

[JonathanL]

People who smoke or drink don't normally rob or steal to feed an illegal habit

 

plus many smokers and drinkers still hold down jobs

 

Those in the video are nothing more than scum who will just breed more scum

 

Yes, but alcohol and tobacco are legal and not so expensive that people need to steal and rob people to get them. If Heroin were simply prescribed for free to addicts then the crime surrounding it would go away and the heroin trade would disappear over night.

 

J.

[JonathanL]

Weak willed and not worth spending time and money on...if they didn't use the stuff the pushers would not have a market

 

The clue is the word "pushers". They exist to get people addicted, usually kids.

 

J.

[Gordon R]

 

If Heroin were simply prescribed for free to addicts then the crime surrounding it would go away and the heroin trade would disappear over night.

 

And the moon is made of green cheese. Simplistic nonsense.

[JonathanL]

If we made heroin legal would we just not have more smack heads. More folks with huge cists on there arms and more problems.

 

 

We wouldn't. It doesn't need to be legalised it just needs to be provided on prescription to addicts. In fact, we couldn't legalise it because we have international treaty oblgations to keep it illegal.

 

Medical problems stem almost entirely from the fact that illegal drugs are full of adulterants that aren't present in proper clinical preperations.

 

J.

 

Right then enough of this ******** about how "hard done to the smack heads are". From the age of about 12(i'm now 56 ) I've had it drilled into me that drugs are a one way street to no-where. Presumably these scumbags had the same message drilled into them .Therefore they have made their own informed choice LET EM ALL DIE.

 

Even the one who's addiction originated from the fact that her mother prostituted her at the age of eight?

 

J.

[JonathanL]

compairing heroin and alcohol the same as someone who smokes is shallow and also obviously someone who is an ex smoker or someone who hasn,t got a clue,

 

to say tax it (drugs) get back in the real world

 

heroin is a society and family wrecker, also alcohol causes problems, but when do you hear of a smoker robbing houses to supply his 20 a day habbit :lol: never heard such rubbish,

 

give them it on the nhs are you for real the nhs is on the bones of its **** already and do you think it will cure the problem,,NOT A CHANCE,

 

as a kid it was drummed into me not to get involved with drugs, I had good mates that took it , but did I take it ,,no I didn,t, why because I had respect for my parents RESPECT FOR MY PARENTS

 

these ********,s have no respect for anyone even themselves,they don't care how much of a burden on society they become because they have NO RESPECT

 

let them ROT , JAIL them if breaking the law and get them clean whilst in jail, and if they come out and persist in robbing pensioners ,houses,,buisness,s,cars, then sod it HANG THE FREAKS

 

I,ve got no sympathy for anyone these days that take drugs, none whatsoever,my kids have grown up and not one of them has taken class A or class B drugs,,why you may ask,,,

 

Because they respect their parents and have realised just how hard we have worked to give them the life they have had,

 

and do you know what ,,,, they are all in full time employment and have been since they finished their A levels,

 

PROUD TO BE A RESPECTABLE PARENT

 

Tobacco doesn't retail at £100,000 a kilo though. When they do then you'll see people stealing and robbing to buy them. Given what cigarettes cost today (some over £8 a packet) I think we aren't too far off seeing theft and robbery being carried out by hard up tobacco addicts.

 

J.

[Gordon R]

If heroin was provided free on prescription, why not prescribe alcohol for alcoholics?

 

If you provide free heroin, it might help some, but where would be the incentive to get off drugs?

 

Do heroin users have rational judgement? What do we do if they commit crimes whilst under the influence of the very drugs that we have kindly supplied? Sorry, they would never commit any crime of any sort.

 

I note that Jonathan does not appear to see any down side to prescription heroin - no doubt he will trot out Canada and other countries who have tried this. I'm very surprised that the whole world hasn't seen the sense of the argument.

[JonathanL]

To clear some of the propoganda driven drivel some of the posters on here have swallowed hook line and sinker heroin does not kill people, overdoses due to impure heroin brought on the streets and diseases caused by dirty needles are the things that kill heroin addicts , give out a supply of cheap pure heroin and clean needles and addicts could live a long, normal and productive life just like everyone else does without resorting to crime.

prohibition is responsible for the deaths and thefts the media portray as part of the " junkie culture" that everyone seems to believe in and swallow as fact . Do you think people wake up one morning and think " I know, I think ill become a drug addict" or " I think ill overdoes and kill myself today" maybe " ill turn to a life of crime and steal things for fun" ? These people made a very bad choice in their life at some point and are now suffering as a result of it ( we have all made bad choices of one description or another somewhere along the line, its just that the consequences we suffered weren't as bad) , Americas top most innovative surgeon who we credit with many of the life saving techniques still in use today was found after he retired to have been addicted to opiates all of his life , addiction is addiction be it sex, drugs, gambling, alcohol or even Christ ( the dictionary definition of addiction used to state " addiction to Christ") as an example much to the disgust of the church

In response to one of the above posts about opium production in Afghanistan it has increased sevenfold since we have had our troops " guarding" the poppy fields rather than become eradicated or cut down as you would like to think, the WHO keeps tabs on opium production as its one of the best painkillers known to man , I could suggest some reading backed up by facts to substantiate what I have written in this post but I get the feeling most folk prefer the blinkered propoganda they like to spout venomously to any kind of real world facts concerning addiction, funny how if a man becomes addicted to accumulation of wealth and money to the detriment of anything else we parade him as a hero and put him on the cover of magazines yet if its drugs some of us want to sterilise him and gas him eh?

 

Excellent post!

 

J.

[Gordon R]

Given what cigarettes cost today (some over £8 a packet) I think we aren't too far off seeing theft and robbery being carried out by hard up tobacco addicts.

Care to put a timetable on that, so we can see if you are correct. :lol:

 

[JonathanL]

If heroin was provided free on prescription, why not prescribe alcohol for alcoholics?

 

Because alcoholics don't rob, steal and mruder to get their next bottle of Special Brew.

 

If you provide free heroin, it might help some, but where would be the incentive to get off drugs?

 

Why does there need to be one? Being a heroin addict per-se is not a huge problem medically. It is perfectly possible to be a heroin addict for an entire life time with few ill effects. Many, many people were when it was legal and led productive lives. Tens of thousands of soldiers returned from the Great War as heroin addicts as it was provided in personal medical kits. There was not a problem of these men robbing and stealing to fun d their habbits as it was simply prescrivbed for them.

 

Do heroin users have rational judgement? What do we do if they commit crimes whilst under the influence of the very drugs that we have kindly supplied? Sorry, they would never commit any crime of any sort.

 

Heroin is not the reason for committing crime. Obtaining money (and you need lots of it) to buy illegal heroin is the reason why heroin addicts committ crimes.

 

I note that Jonathan does not appear to see any down side to prescription heroin - no doubt he will trot out Canada and other countries who have tried this. I'm very surprised that the whole world hasn't seen the sense of the argument.

 

What are the downsides because you haven't demonstrated any yet. What problems have been encountered in the places which have tried it?

 

J.

[kdubya]

 

What are the downsides because you haven't demonstrated any yet. What problems have been encountered in the places which have tried it?

 

J.

down sides? simple heroin destroys lives, heroin does kill and heroin does bend minds do you really want to legalise it?

 

KW