-Mongrel- Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I also think to a certain degree when it comes to other PW members that you can tell those who you will most likely get on with by the contents of their posts , there are some I am sure on here I would get on with like a house on fire and others who I doubt I would want to share time with. Maybe, I know for a fact that I'm more boisterous on here than in real life. I'd still say the same thing to your face but I tend to be more considered in the delivery in real life, if that makes me a keyboard warrior so be it, however I know there's a decent chance of meeting up with some PW'ers so, as I say, I won't say anything I wouldn't say personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I have taken quite a few out...and also helped others get permission on my land.....That changed when a "member" went behind my back and I hardly ever take anyone out now except ones I have actually met a few times .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I struggle to see why people are so protective of a bit of pigeon shooting , it's just a hobby for 90% of people on here who think they are ( pest controllers ) . If farmers are having trouble with pigeons and your not about as much as they like you will have to share your shooting with who ever knocks on his door at the right time it's as simple as that. If your so worried about loosing or having to share your shooting don't take anyone . For the newbies there's loads of shooting to be had all you need to do is go knocking on doors , farmers always want human bangers cos that's all we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) I shoot over 4000 acres on one farm and have sole rights to the vermin control including the pigeon shooting. The owner has peace of mind this way. I pick up on the shoots he has and take no pay in return for my shooting rights. He is aware of what vehicles I use and also offers me the use of the farm 4 x 4 when required. He knows I clean up all my litter and empty cases, he knows I will not shoot any game or indeed foxes which is at his request. We have a very good understanding and work together. We are always in contact and he knows where I am at all times when on the land. I know others have asked for shooting but are bluntly refused because he knows what he gets from me. In theory I offer a peace of mind service rather than just go and shoot pigeons. Im allowed to take people with me but I know the guys I take and they know the score before I take them. The same applies to any new members I introduce to the marsh too. I also read the posts on here with interest and take into account what morals people seemingly have and by and large the majority have come out with flying colours in my opinion. Edited July 30, 2013 by ayano3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted July 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I shoot over 4000 acres on one farm and have sole rights to the vermin control including the pigeon shooting. The owner has peace of mind this way. I pick up on the shoots he has and take no pay in return for my shooting rights. He is aware of what vehicles I use and also offers me the use of the farm 4 x 4 when required. He knows I clean up all my litter and empty cases, he knows I will not shoot any game or indeed foxes which is at his request. We have a very good understanding and work together. We are always in contact and he knows where I am at all times when on the land. I know others have asked for shooting but are bluntly refused because he knows what he gets from me. In theory I offer a peace of mind service rather than just go and shoot pigeons. Im allowed to take people with me but I know the guys I take and they know the score before I take them. The same applies to any new members I introduce to the marsh too. I also read the posts on here with interest and take into account what morals people seemingly have and by and large the majority have come out with flying colours in my opinion. Good post It must be satisfying to know your permission is safe and that you are doing a good job for the farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I struggle to see why people are so protective of a bit of pigeon shooting , it's just a hobby for 90% of people on here who think they are ( pest controllers ) . If farmers are having trouble with pigeons and your not about as much as they like you will have to share your shooting with who ever knocks on his door at the right time it's as simple as that. If your so worried about loosing or having to share your shooting don't take anyone . For the newbies there's loads of shooting to be had all you need to do is go knocking on doors , farmers always want human bangers cos that's all we are. Where do you live mate, because I'll pretty much guarantee that you aren't in the South East! You may have loads of unshot land where you are, but where I am it's mostly tied up. Agreed, indeed when chatting about on of our syndicate members who really cannot shoot anything moving at pace his comment was, "Mind you, I don't mind, saves turning the gas gun on". That said, the guys who shoot all enjoy their shooting regardless of how good they may be. We take big enough numbers for the farmer to be happy and we respect his land and stock etc, so we continue to shoot. That could easily change if someone forgot their manners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Farmers ain't interested in bag size when it comes to pigeons, they would much rather have someone shoot 10 every day all week rather than someone shoot 500 on a Saturday. It's about keeping off the crop for them, if ya can't get no shooting just go out with one of these boys offering for free and introduce yourself to farmer . That most prob how they got theirs, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 jayDT10 Remind me in the future never to invite you shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CharlieT Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Farmers ain't interested in bag size when it comes to pigeons, they would much rather have someone shoot 10 every day all week rather than someone shoot 500 on a Saturday. It's about keeping off the crop for them, if ya can't get no shooting just go out with one of these boys offering for free and introduce yourself to farmer . That most prob how they got theirs, lol As a farmer, I can truly say that I would rather have someone come on a Saturday and shoot 500 than someone with your morals shoot every day. In my book, honesty, courtesy and good manners are paramount. Better to get the gas gun out than having a Jack the Lad shooting on my farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 As a farmer, I can truly say that I would rather have someone come on a Saturday and shoot 500 than someone with your morals shoot every day. In my book, honesty, courtesy and good manners are paramount. Better to get the gas gun out than having a Jack the Lad shooting on my farm. As another farmer I couldn't put it better my self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 As a farmer, I can truly say that I would rather have someone come on a Saturday and shoot 500 than someone with your morals shoot every day. In my book, honesty, courtesy and good manners are paramount. Better to get the gas gun out than having a Jack the Lad shooting on my farm. As another farmer I couldn't put it better my self It's one thing I have consistently found about farmers (and most decent people to be honest), they all expect you to treat them and their land deferentially. It doesn't matter so much how many you shoot so long as you shoot decent numbers regularly and as my farmer said (tongue firmly in cheek), it costs him less than a gas gun even when you don't shoot well. Treat him badly he'll soon go and buy gas for the gas gun! I have to say JayDT10, I wouldn't have you anywhere near me or my permissions, you'd be a liability...with an expensive gun, but a liability all the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Farmers ain't interested in bag size when it comes to pigeons, they would much rather have someone shoot 10 every day all week rather than someone shoot 500 on a Saturday. It's about keeping off the crop for them, if ya can't get no shooting just go out with one of these boys offering for free and introduce yourself to farmer . That most prob how they got theirs, lol Not the cleverest thing to put a post like that up. :wacko: That post will haunt you now as most decent people who read it and take people out will never give you the time of day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) S'ok, it appears he has plenty of permission, so no need for anyone to take him out.... ...well, actually that might depend on what is meant by 'take him out' actually! Edited July 30, 2013 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) S'ok, it appears he has plenty of permission, so no need for anyone to take him out.... ...well, actually that might depend on what is meant by 'take him out' actually! why wouldn't anyone want to take me out , Edited July 30, 2013 by jayDT10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted July 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 why wouldn't anyone want to take me out , I dont think your ethics on securing permission has been well received by other members as it seems fairly aggressive and underhanded. The fear of you causing upset with the farmer is too high given your attitude in recent posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I've been taken out a couple of times by members off here and else were. I have been working away from home for years, no time to ask for permission's or have any. I haven't or wouldn't dream of asking for permission were I have been taken and couldn't thank them enough for taking me. jayDT10 I don't think I would like to meet you with that attitude. But you could ask me to come to one of your permission's!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'd love to take a member or two, newbies especially but someone more experienced than myself would probably prove very useful. The company would be much appreciated, I'm not too worried about insurance but I'd play it by ear - I.e. a shotgun in the middle of nowhere isn't as much of a worry as around buildings, footpaths etc. Both farmers I shoot for are friends in one way or another and wouldn't be interested in giving anyone else permission so I can't even say I'm worried about that. So, why don't I? Most of the time, there's nothing about to actually shoot! Hence the inclination to "wander the fields" - I bag a few each time I go, sometimes none and on rare occasions there's enough to make a half decent bag but nothing special, it simply wouldn't be worth trying to make a day of it to be honest. On the other hand, if I found someone tried to poach permissions that took a lot of effort for myself and my shooting buddy to gain, I'd be livid - a good slap would be the least of the "guest"s worries, especially if my shooting buddy found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 why wouldn't anyone want to take me out , Refer to post 10 , right or wrong I judge people to a certain extent on how they come across on the forum in their posts . You come across as someone I would not trust one iota , I hope you have plenty of shooting of your own because you have lost any chance of getting any off here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) From someone who does not have much of a permissions point of view I think people who abuse the privlage of being taken out on someones permission are beyond the pale. In my view its akin to being invited to someones house for a BBQ and then turning up another day to rob the place! Through the club I shoot at I have had the pleasure of being taken out on a few shoots with people and would never dream of approaching their permission in any way after I have been lucky enough to spend a day on it in their company. I work probably like a fair few on here long hours along with family commitments dont have the time to commit to looking for and keeping up with a lot of permissions so rely on other people generosity to get some hunting experience. It really winds me up when peoples generosity is abused as it not only puts them off helping new shooters out, but through word of mouth probably puts other people off from taking a chance on new shooters like myself in future. Edited July 31, 2013 by Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Zetter And that is how it should be. In the long term people like me who are lucky to have plenty of ground to shoot over will stop taking out newcomers to the sport if the generosity and goodwill is abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I have took a few out off the forum and I have been lucky in the fact they have all appreciated the opportunity to join me and have had some good shooting even though its been tough at times. Some have had little experience but willing learners. For some of the posts you have not helped those who don't have their own shooting. Thankfully at the same time you may just have shot yourself in the foot. Edited July 31, 2013 by ayano3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted July 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I have took a few out off the forum and I have been lucky in the fact they have all appreciated the opportunity to join me and have had some good shooting even though its been tough at times. Some have had little experience but willing learners. For some of the posts you have not helped those who don't have their own shooting. Thankfully at the same time you may just have shot yourself in the foot. I think the majority share the same thoughts...which is both satisfying and pleasing. There will always be a minority that show their true ethics and moral standing on certain issues. On a positive note at least the thread has given others a heads up moving forward. Edited July 31, 2013 by BRNDL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I think the majority share the same thoughts...which is both satisfying and pleasing. There will always be a minority that show their true ethics and moral standing on certain issues. On a positive note at least the thread has given others a heads up moving forward. well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 ive taken loads of people out shooting and in turn ive been taken out... 4 weeks to go till goose season, just over 2 weeks till the grouse starts again and im sure i will be taking out the same guys again..people i trust!! zulu, Oscarsdad, Pigeon man,Wildowler12,silver pigeon, all people ive shot with and trust 100%..and will shoot with again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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