Kes Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Reports of a shooting involving 3 men - details sketchy but sadly 1 dead, one other who seems to have been the guilty man and the son of the murder victim shot by a 12 guage. More below. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscotland%2Fglasgow_and_west%2F&ei=JAcBUuK3MMeo0AXWiYFI&usg=AFQjCNEgzA8vlXPHwqtaI6B_GFTb5DXmsQ&bvm=bv.50310824,d.d2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Two dead one injured is being reported now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Just seen this on Sky news website, no further details available. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Your getting slow in your old age : http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/256130-another-homicide-using-guns-legally-held-in-scotland/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I must be, hadn't seen that one, it's hitting my late 40s that's done it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 2 brothers and a son involved, the son survived i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I must be, hadn't seen that one, it's hitting my late 40s all those Little Chiefs that's done it....... just how many shades exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 http://news.sky.com/story/1125210/farm-shooting-boss-among-two-men-killed Sounds like something bad has gone off here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Already 2 threads below on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Very sad news. s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Apologies for being off topic and pedantic, but why the **** are people referring to murders as homicides. Last time I looked I was in the u.k not the states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Apologies for being off topic and pedantic, but why the **** are people referring to murders as homicides. Last time I looked I was in the u.k not the states. Murder and homicide aren't the same thing. Homicide is the killing of another person. Murder and manslaughter are both homicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Murder and homicide aren't the same thing. Homicide is the killing of another person. Murder and manslaughter are both homicide. great post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingRebel Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I have no doubt there will be calls for more gun laws from the usual suspects. But does anybody seriously believe that the killings wouldn't have taken place if the killer didn't have guns? The headline would probably have been something like "Two people stabbed to death on Scottish farm", "Two people ran over and killed on Scottish farm", "Two people killed in arson attack on Scottish farm", need I go on? I have said it a thousand times before, the problem has so little to do with guns and weapons, and everything to do with depression, stress and mental illness. Those three things seem to be on an alarming increase throughout society, and until this is properly addressed, these random, violent outbursts will continue to happen and with greater frequency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Murder and homicide aren't the same thing. Homicide is the killing of another person. Murder and manslaughter are both homicide. ? So in fact they are the same thing then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Murder and homicide aren't the same thing. Homicide is the killing of another person. Murder and manslaughter are both homicide. Whot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Homicide is the murder of another of the human species, as fratricide, patricide, matricide and sororicide are the killing of ones brother father mother and sister. Murder is premeditated killing so all of the above can be murder but not necessarily so. Its the premeditatiom which makes murder, murder, if you get my meaning ? So it may be a while before we know it was murder or just a spur of the moment thing - hence homicide from homo hominis (man. However, I agree lets call it murder anyway ! More British agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 just how many shades exactly You have met me, you know it's a large cloud, more like 50 shades...... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 And another http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/08/newport-shooting-man-woman-seriously-injured-welsh-city_n_3724385.html?icid=maing-grid7|uk|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D200196 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batters Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) Homicide is the murder of another of the human species, as fratricide, patricide, matricide and sororicide are the killing of ones brother father mother and sister. Murder is premeditated killing so all of the above can be murder but not necessarily so. Its the premeditatiom which makes murder, murder, if you get my meaning ?So it may be a while before we know it was murder or just a spur of the moment thing - hence homicide from homo hominis (man.However, I agree lets call it murder anyway ! More British agreedNot quite so, murder is "the unlawful killing of a human being within the queen's peace with malice aforethought". A quirk of the law is that "malice aforethought" actually requires neither malice nor forethought, but simply an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm. Premeditation in the traditional sense doesn't come into it, that's a common misconception. Homicide is simply the killing of a human. So murder is always homicide, but homicide is not necessarily murder. The only way this wont be murder is if either loss of control or diminished responsibility can be shown (under s52 and s54 of the Coroners and Jutice Act 2009), in which case the shooter will be guilty of manslaughter. It's largely academic either way though, because both offences carry the life tariff. Sorry to be pedantic, but it was only three weeks ago I sat my criminal law exam.... Edited August 10, 2013 by Batters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 It's nice to have a techy in the house. Do you know if you've passed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batters Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Not yet, results come out 23rd August. Fingers crossed:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Homicide is the murder of another of the human species, as fratricide, patricide, matricide and sororicide are the killing of ones brother father mother and sister. Murder is premeditated killing so all of the above can be murder but not necessarily so. Its the premeditatiom which makes murder, murder, if you get my meaning ? So it may be a while before we know it was murder or just a spur of the moment thing - hence homicide from homo hominis (man. However, I agree lets call it murder anyway ! More British agreed It's the killing of a human. It need not be murder. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Not quite so, murder is "the unlawful killing of a human being within the queen's peace with malice aforethought". A quirk of the law is that "malice aforethought" actually requires neither malice nor forethought, but simply an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm. Premeditation in the traditional sense doesn't come into it, that's a common misconception. Homicide is simply the killing of a human. So murder is always homicide, but homicide is not necessarily murder. The only way this wont be murder is if either loss of control or diminished responsibility can be shown (under s52 and s54 of the Coroners and Jutice Act 2009), in which case the shooter will be guilty of manslaughter. It's largely academic either way though, because both offences carry the life tariff. Sorry to be pedantic, but it was only three weeks ago I sat my criminal law exam.... If you have an intention to do something then that is forethought. It is the same as premeditration. It may only be forethought/premeditation which you had one second before you did it but it is still forethought. If that were not present you could not be convicted of murder. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Apologies for being off topic and pedantic, but why the **** are people referring to murders as homicides. Last time I looked I was in the u.k not the states. You are indeed correct, despite all the excuses quoted above, the noun homicide is chiefly used in the States not the UK. I personally object to the Americanisation of our language. I blame Sky TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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