Steel shot with fiber cup

[motty]

Mat,

I hate Steel! I also dislike inefficient Lead alternatives.

The whole thing about this ongoing saga is that if we put a gun up at a creature we wish to mortally wound it ! Kill it!

To use inefficient ineffective alternatives is a disgrace to mankind and we really should be ashamed that after twenty years of voluntary restraint we still have not come up with a viable alternative.

The OP is trying to resolve an issue he has over farm land where the owner wants a biodegradable wad.

Now back on track .

Whatever happened to the degradable wads patented by an East Anglian company made from starch from Potatoes? Did they hit manufacturing or cost issues? Is it such a big issue to manufacture an alternative to Plastic / Polymer wads?

Steel IS the viable alternative. It works very well. Try it.

Edited April 20, 2014 by motty

[Guest cookoff013]

i`d just like to wade in here....

 

first off, steel shot is an alternative to lead. its been there since the 70s atleast and has a great track record of performing. with that i mean, it has developed into a more effective shell than previously thought. not just because it can be shot at huge speeds but the fact it patterns well. you just need to learn it. same as lead, everyone knows its strenths and weaknesses...

 

i`ve used steel, bismuth, and some itm at some point.

bismuth i will never shoot again.

itm is not favoured by my bank manager....

 

first steel was graded on shotsize / like for like with lead shot (steel compared to lead) it didnt work out well, because the low density steel.

then this small shotsize is then shot at lead speeds, loosing more energy faster than ever (poor BC, compared lead to steel)

 

now there is this environmental issue of plaswads. now manufacturers are working on it. it`ll be overcome.

 

of all the nontoxics, it is the most accessable, nearly the most effective (tungstens will be more efficient than lead and steelio)

 

@ salopian.

 

buy some #2 or BB steel and go shoot something. i can recomend gamebore 3"

[joknob]

try some BBB or T shot out of a ten,id say better than lead,but why believe me! I use 28g 7.5 lead on pigeons and love them. PS if you can shoot,it don't matter what shot,size shot or choke you use. craig

[Big Mat]

Does anyone have any data for using fibre shot cups with steel shot in 10 bore? Ideally with alliant steel, 381 or CSB0

[Old farrier]

Does anyone have any data for using fibre shot cups with steel shot in 10 bore? Ideally with alliant steel, 381 or CSB0

Is there any with fibre wad or is anyone experimenting down this road or with bigger bores would be very interested

Many thanks

Of

[Big Mat]

Is there any with fibre wad or is anyone experimenting down this road or with bigger bores would be very interested

Many thanks

Of

 

I have some data for fibre wad cups but nowt with steel.

Edited May 4, 2014 by Big Mat

[Old farrier]

Hi got some fibre and cork wads also fibre shot cups designed for 3.1/2 inch loads wondered if I cut them down would I have to reduce the wad length to get a viable load in the case and would they hold up to pressure and velocity required to make steel peforme

Just a thought

All the best

Of

[pestcontrol1]

Does anyone have any data for using fibre shot cups with steel shot in 10 bore? Ideally with alliant steel, 381 or CSB0

Not done out with the 10 as yet ring clay an game they might have some

 

Is there any with fibre wad or is anyone experimenting down this road or with bigger bores would be very interested

Many thanks

Of

There will be some data available shortly

 

Hi got some fibre and cork wads also fibre shot cups designed for 3.1/2 inch loads wondered if I cut them down would I have to reduce the wad length to get a viable load in the case and would they hold up to pressure and velocity required to make steel peforme

Just a thought

All the best

Of

with the fiber shot cups all you need under them is a nitro card they can be cut down with a stanley is it the 53mm fsc that you have

[Old farrier]

Not done out with the 10 as yet ring clay an game they might have some

 

There will be some data available shortly

 

with the fiber shot cups all you need under them is a nitro card they can be cut down with a stanley is it the 53mm fsc that you have

Hi

Thanks it's the 53 mm ones wasn't sure how much of the wad I could lose I have found it easier to get them in the case and seated better if I put a 20 bore card inside the cup before I try to push it in (maybe I'm doing something wrong )

Thanks again

Of

[pestcontrol1]

i have used 3 and 4mm nitro"s in new cases just cos i had plenty of them kicking around yes i have used cork fillers inside the shot cup all i have been doing is is sitting the nitro just inside the case mouth then fsc on top then pushing them both down together.

What load was you thinking of putting in them

[Old farrier]

Wondered if this was ok but substitute wad for fibre cup

Hope you can decipher it

All the best and many thanks

Of

[Big Mat]

Is that standard data you've got from a datasheet? I'm guessing claygame?

 

I'd have though you'd be able to get rid of the two over powder cards and the fibre wad and put a fibre wad cup in instead

[islandgun]

From what i can gather, why not use an RTO then you can choose what packing/wad/cup you like and cut the case to suit, 2 6/8" 3 1/8" ?

Edited May 5, 2014 by islandgun

[Old farrier]

Is that standard data you've got from a datasheet? I'm guessing claygame?

 

I'd have though you'd be able to get rid of the two over powder cards and the fibre wad and put a fibre wad cup in instead

Standard data less 5 % works fine space needed only needs wad and one card to go but didn't know if pressure would drop if I took them out

All the best

Of

[Anth6568]

Interesting stuff this!

[pestcontrol1]

Wondered if this was ok but substitute wad for fibre cup

Hope you can decipher it

All the best and many thanks

Of

i think its testing time i would say that they will hold pressure better than the fiber wad but not quiet as good as some of the plas wads but as i say i have not done out with the 10 as yet

[Acid House]

 

Whatever happened to the degradable wads patented by an East Anglian company made from starch from Potatoes? Did they hit manufacturing or cost issues? Is it such a big issue to manufacture an alternative to Plastic / Polymer wads?

The problem with starch plastic was/is, it doesn't degrade fast enough. Its selling point was renewable materials not decomposition.

[Old farrier]

i think its testing time i would say that they will hold pressure better than the fiber wad but not quiet as good as some of the plas wads but as i say i have not done out with the 10 as yet

Hi

42 grams of lead 5 shot fits in this load as is however take out the wad and card and volume of steel 3 shot =same weight as 5lead dosent fit in case with fibre shot cup not sure how much I can compress load to cram it in ?

All the best

Of

[pestcontrol1]

Hi

42 grams of lead 5 shot fits in this load as is however take out the wad and card and volume of steel 3 shot =same weight as 5lead dosent fit in case with fibre shot cup not sure how much I can compress load to cram it in ?

All the best

Of

Thats why i say test see what fits in the shot cup ( i dont know off top of my head ) either flush with the top or just over if you can get a finish rto or crimp you will probly have to drop your load down to from the 42g that you would load with lead as steel take up more room.

You would probly have to change powder drop also changing from the lead data to steel it will probly give High pressure

[Big Mat]

Having spoken with claygame regards the fibre shot cups, they suggest using a fibre wad cup and nitro card in place of a plastic wad but to expect lower pressure and velocity. I have considered using the fibre wad cup with a gas seal. In a cheddite case i can get the power ( alliant 381 ) gas seal, fibre wad cup with 46gram steel BBB and sealed with a 6pt crimp. Wad seems a little loose in the cheddite case so will try with remingtons and possibly federals when i get some.

[Old farrier]

Having spoken with claygame regards the fibre shot cups, they suggest using a fibre wad cup and nitro card in place of a plastic wad but to expect lower pressure and velocity. I have considered using the fibre wad cup with a gas seal. In a cheddite case i can get the power ( alliant 381 ) gas seal, fibre wad cup with 46gram steel BBB and sealed with a 6pt crimp. Wad seems a little loose in the cheddite case so will try with remingtons and possibly federals when i get some.

Hi

Well done

That's in a 3 1/2 case ?

I think that amount of steel volume is bigger than the area of the shot cup capacity unless you have a longer cup

2..7/8 case for my load I'm bit slower than you at working this out but I get there

All the best

Of

[Big Mat]

Hi

Well done

That's in a 3 1/2 case ?

I think that amount of steel volume is bigger than the area of the shot cup capacity unless you have a longer cup

2..7/8 case for my load I'm bit slower than you at working this out but I get there

All the best

Of

 

Yes that is a 3 1/2" case, 46gram BBB steel just comes to the top of the wad.

 

Obviously with your load you'll have to use different data to the load you use for lead. I don't recall seeing any 2 7/8" steel data

[pestcontrol1]

Having spoken with claygame regards the fibre shot cups, they suggest using a fibre wad cup and nitro card in place of a plastic wad but to expect lower pressure and velocity. I have considered using the fibre wad cup with a gas seal. In a cheddite case i can get the power ( alliant 381 ) gas seal, fibre wad cup with 46gram steel BBB and sealed with a 6pt crimp. Wad seems a little loose in the cheddite case so will try with remingtons and possibly federals when i get some.

so you are just changing the plas wad for a nitro and fsc. i am looking forward to hearing how people get on with the fiber shot cups i have been playing today working my loads right ready for the season

[Big Mat]

so you are just changing the plas wad for a nitro and fsc. i am looking forward to hearing how people get on with the fiber shot cups i have been playing today working my loads right ready for the season

 

Yes that is what i am going to do i think, just need to get some other components in so i can compare between fsc and other plastic wads. I may try some other non toxic in them as well.

[pestcontrol1]

 

Yes that is what i am going to do i think, just need to get some other components in so i can compare between fsc and other plastic wads. I may try some other non toxic in them as well.

i was ment to get some hevi and ( itx i think ) but the lad who i was getting it off was messing me about so i dint bother but may well try some others but i will be using mostly stee. I did notice that the fsc did give a good pattern with the lighter loads with 3.25mm steel through 1/2 choke