30-6 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Someone has asked me if keeping a shotgun and rifle in the same cabinet is acceptable (legally), or do they need two seperate cabinets ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yes,it is perfectly acceptable and legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 No problem as long as it is only the firearms certificate holder that has access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yes as long as you keep the bolts locked up separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 There is no law saying you have to keep bolts separate, only ammo, although it is good practice to separate them. Some police forces ask you to keep them separate but what's the difference with keeping the bolt with the rifle and having a semi-automatic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 True :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I have 2 rifles and 2 shotguns in the same tin box! The ammo is kept in a separate safe.... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yes as long as you keep the bolts locked up separate. No requirement all my rifles are kept with bolts in I have to many FEO has never said any thing in 25 years Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Thanks for the quick replies. The guy is SGC and FAC liscensed and only he has access to the keys. Ammo is to be kept seperate with the bolts in a different lockable safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN BOY Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yes you can .I keep my rifle and shotgun in the same cabinet, ammo in a separate safe ,bolt can stay with rifle unless your certificate says otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the crowman Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Each to their own, that's what I was told to do :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 No problem as long as it is only the firearms certificate holder that has access. Not so my wife has not FAC but we shared a cabinet for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Not so my wife has not FAC but we shared a cabinet for years. What additional cabinet security did you have installed to stop your wife having access to your rifle then. Because without it you would have been in breach of your FAC conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 They where happy that the bolt was with my ammo that only I had the key to 3 forces I expected to need a second cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Each to their own, that's what I was told to do :) Maybe what you were told to do but it isn't law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Not so my wife has not FAC but we shared a cabinet for years. What additional cabinet security did you have installed to stop your wife having access to your rifle then. Because without it you would have been in breach of your FAC conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 No problem at all keeping rifles and shotguns in the same cabinet as long as the cabinet has been inspected and approaved by your FEO. Obviously the rifle ammunition has to be stored in a seperate ammunition safe but even though I see it as good practice I don't think there is anything written about the rifle bolts having to be stored seperately from the rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Dekers you may not approve but that was the police requirement the fact she was responsible for the security of rifles at work will have influenced their thought process it shows all your preconceived ideas are not hard and fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Dekers you may not approve but that was the police requirement the fact she was responsible for the security of rifles at work will have influenced their thought process it shows all your preconceived ideas are not hard and fast. Your wife cannot have free access to your FAC guns unless she has a FAC with them appropriately listed. What she does for a living doesn't change that, nor does any police thought process chance firearms legislation. That is not a pre conceived idea, it is legal firearms fact. As CharlieT pointed out, unless you have some additional security installed to stop her getting access to your FAC tools. If your region don't know the law, are sloppy, or just plain incompetent doesn't change anything. Edited August 25, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) No problem at all keeping rifles and shotguns in the same cabinet as long as the cabinet has been inspected and approaved by your FEO. Obviously the rifle ammunition has to be stored in a seperate ammunition safe but even though I see it as good practice I don't think there is anything written about the rifle bolts having to be stored seperately from the rifles. This has been debated many a time, there is no requirement for the Cabinet to be inspected and approved by your FEO, security is your responsibility. The fact is many will flex their muscles and make demands. I have 3 cabinets, have moved house several times, bought and sold cabinets and fixed/sited them as appropriate, and to this day the police still don't know where one of mine is located and have NEVER, as such, inspected or approved my cabinets. Last renewal a Senior FEO came round as I have so many guns and we just went to two of my cabinets to double check serial numbers/calibres, not once did he check any part of the Cabinet or fittings! Edited August 25, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Your wife cannot have free access to your FAC guns unless she has a FAC with them appropriately listed. What she does for a living doesn't change that, nor does any police thought process chance firearms legislation. That is not a pre conceived idea, it is legal firearms fact. As CharlieT pointed out, unless you have some additional security installed to stop her getting access to your FAC tools. If your region don't know the law, are sloppy, or just plain incompetent doesn't change anything. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Your wife cannot have free access to your FAC guns unless she has a FAC with them appropriately listed. What she does for a living doesn't change that, nor does any police thought process chance firearms legislation. That is not a pre conceived idea, it is legal firearms fact. As CharlieT pointed out, unless you have some additional security installed to stop her getting access to your FAC tools. If your region don't know the law, are sloppy, or just plain incompetent doesn't change anything. Unfortunately that is my understanding of the law too. It sounds like your force were encouraging you to break the law which is far from ideal. Them thinking it's ok doesn't mean you won't get into deep trouble if for some reason this activity was exposed to the wrong person. You would still be breaking the law as your local force don't make the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Unfortunately that is my understanding of the law too. It sounds like your force were encouraging you to break the law which is far from ideal. Them thinking it's ok doesn't mean you won't get into deep trouble if for some reason this activity was exposed to the wrong person. You would still be breaking the law as your local force don't make the rules. It was 3 different forces not just one FEO. I was very surprised when I was explaining to the first FEO where I was fitting the new box and he said no need just remove the bolt so it's useless and lock it with the ammo with time I got more guns so bought an box but I'd move 3 times in that period. Eventually got my own RFD cert and solved all the issues but for 18 month we shared the 1 box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Just shows how daft and clueless the FEO's can be! I can see where they're coming from and I can see how you viewed it (a wife with a sgc is no risk when given access to your firearms) but the law is the law and that's that! You didn't get in any bother over it and are no longer doing it so at the end of the day it's not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 It was 3 different forces not just one FEO. I was very surprised when I was explaining to the first FEO where I was fitting the new box and he said no need just remove the bolt so it's useless and lock it with the ammo with time I got more guns so bought an box but I'd move 3 times in that period. Eventually got my own RFD cert and solved all the issues but for 18 month we shared the 1 box It just goes to show that not all licensing authorities are competent.You could have asked your FEO if he considered removing the bolt rendered your rifle useless why there was a need to lock it up! I doubt the theft of a boltless rifle would be considered trivial by those same authorities who stated it was 'useless' and ok to allow access to it by an unauthorised person. It makes as much of a mockery of legislation as allowing someone without FAC access to your cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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