aris Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Sten Mk II 9 x 19mm Parabellum (9mm Nato/9mm Luger) Submachine http://www.gunstar.co.uk/sten-mk-ii-9-x-19mm-parabellum-9mm-nato-9mm-luger-submachine/Other-Military-Guns/61023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Some big old foxes up that way and comes in handy if ever the zombies do finally invade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Ah yes, zombies. I wonder if that will work when I apply for a section 5 for a fully automatic submachinegun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 daughters got rats under her shed ,does this qualify me for section 5.any way i prefer the sterling much nicer looking smg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I can't see a valid reason for anyone to ever need one. I would like to try one at a range purely because it's the gun my grandad had when he was on guard duty in the sewers canal when he did his nation service but it's not something I'd ever want to own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 How does one even justify a Section 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Who buys this stuff?? Sten Mk II 9 x 19mm Parabellum (9mm Nato/9mm Luger) Submachinehttp://www.gunstar.co.uk/sten-mk-ii-9-x-19mm-parabellum-9mm-nato-9mm-luger-submachine/Other-Military-Guns/61023 Very lucky b******!! How does one even justify a Section 5? By being a dealer in such firearms is the only way i know of for things like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 But who do you deal to? As far as I'm aware It's not like we have specialist ranges where you can go and pay to shoot stuff like this. Has anyone on pw got a section 5 licence, If so how did you justify a need and what's it conditioned for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Foreign markets, museums, research centres, the police, the military... There are occasionally Sec5 shoots at Bisley but the army run those (and supply the kit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) I can't see a valid reason for anyone to ever need one. I would like to try one at a range purely because it's the gun my grandad had when he was on guard duty in the sewers canal when he did his nation service but it's not something I'd ever want to own. Do any of us really need a gun? Unless you're a landowner and you've got to deal with vermin then its no,but we want them all the same. I've love a go with a Sten personally. Edited to add: The guns will very likely be sold abroad.A gun dealer i visited ages back had two Brens waiting to be shipped to the US so old British military arms are still in this country. Edited October 10, 2013 by Imperfection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I can't see a valid reason for anyone to ever need one. I would like to try one at a range purely because it's the gun my grandad had when he was on guard duty in the sewers canal when he did his nation service but it's not something I'd ever want to own. The SEWERS CANAL is not something I'd ever want to get down-wind of...I hope your Grand-dad got a decent medal for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 How does one even justify a Section 5? MOST Section 5 holders are RFDs They then need to prove that they have a need for a S.5 entitlement. THEN they have to meet the various S.5 criteria as it is further broken down into sub-categories NO NEED? You'd be surprised.... Pre-handgun ban days, ANY RFD could accept a War Trophy pistol that was found among an elderly relatives military souvenirs.... NOW that such handguns are S.5 - ONLY a S.5 RFD can TOUCH them legally....Yes, if a S.1 FAC holder or a standard RFD even handles a S.5 gun an offence has been committed. Or, what about an old pump-action shotgun, which on checking has a barrel of 23.75" ? As it's a pump-action it is a S.5....or is Section 5 until the barrel is removed Quite a few blokes I know are S.5 dealers in the business of hiring out such guns as the Sten to WW2 re-enactors or TV/film companies. LOTS of such things are sold to other European dealers as in quite a few countries such things are totally legal. Having used Sten guns (FAC S.1 versions) from the age of 16, I can also say that they are quite good fun things to have a shoot with: FUN & shooting, in the same sentence? In the case of an old handgun - they CAN be held in some cases on a Section 7 FAC - BUT until it is on your FAC it is a S.5 item so can only be sold by a S.5 RFD More modern handguns for humane despatch - same as above - a Section 5 item until entered onto an FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 But who do you deal to? As far as I'm aware It's not like we have specialist ranges where you can go and pay to shoot stuff like this. Has anyone on pw got a section 5 licence, If so how did you justify a need and what's it conditioned for? The seller of the Stens IS a member on here... See my previous post for more info on Section 5's We had a fun time at the Shooting Show a while back; as part of the sniper rifle display was an L1A1. Once the "Is it a straight-pull/Is it a de-act?" was out of the way, much head scratching took place as the asker tried to work out WHAT category said SLR was.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 The same people who buy Gun Mart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'd be VERY interested in the details. A Belgian friend of mine collects sub-machine guns and is always on the lookout for different Marks of Sten. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 My guess is people that live with there parents and don't come out of there rooms very often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 There is a PW member with a S5 FAC, I supplied him with the S5 firearms, not fully auto weapons though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 There is a PW member with a S5 FAC, I supplied him with the S5 firearms, not fully auto weapons though! So what are the justifications for having one? I have read about specialist bodyguards (for diplomats etc) as a justification. Anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So what are the justifications for having one? I have read about specialist bodyguards (for diplomats etc) as a justification. Anything else? See (er, read) post #12 - a little info. on the justifications 2nd thoughts....nope, just bodyguards....***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) one of my old work colleagues is on a secuirty protection team that work on the boats etc in somali and omen etc pretty sure they have section 5 ??, I know when they go out takes 2 days down in london to get through all the red tape taking there weapons out, pretty sure they have mp5's though not old machine guns edit some info here on maritime protection https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/section-5-authorisation-to-protect-uk-registered-ships-guidance-to-applicants Edited October 10, 2013 by maxus77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) AFAIK ex PSNI (RUC), ex Primeministers/High level politicians (particulalry thos einvolved with NI) and ex Prison gaurds from NI can have PPW when living here as can anyone with a home office certified reason (Home office issues section 5 IIRC) Trainers of security personnel etc will have them (just like they get to drive over speed limit on public highway doing escape and protective driving) If you or (more likely) your employer are a high risk for kidnap then you'll get one Edited October 10, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 The same people who buy Gun Mart Hahahaha. They'll probably start using them on the geese soon. AFAIK ex PSNI (RUC), ex Primeministers/High level politicians (particulalry thos einvolved with NI) and ex Prison gaurds from NI can have PPW when living here as can anyone with a home office certified reason (Home office issues section 5 IIRC) Trainers of security personnel etc will have them (just like they get to drive over speed limit on public highway doing escape and protective driving) If you or (more likely) your employer are a high risk for kidnap then you'll get one 'PSNI' Hmmmm, I suppose if they called it the Northern Ireland Police Service, they'd be undermined by the abbreviation. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 So what are the justifications for having one? I have read about specialist bodyguards (for diplomats etc) as a justification. Anything else? Nothing so exciting, the member is a veterinary surgeon, and has S5 for blowpipes and tranquilizer/dart rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) American with a sten: You have to admire the simplicity of design giving so much functionality. Edited October 11, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Great fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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