novice cushie shooter Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Went for a job intrview couple of months ago, fortunatly i fluffed the interview. Does anyone else think unite were wrong to advise its members to reject proposals now around 800 staff will lose their jobs. does the spell the end of the trade union in britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 lets be honest the poor workers are out of a job sad and just before Christmas, looks like the scargill days have returned, according to the news the company was prepared to put 300 million into making the place a success, so sad,, I really feel for the people who have now lost their jobs,homes the lot all because the union would not budge just my opinion mind atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice cushie shooter Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Agree. Very sad and pretty much destroyed the local community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRamsay Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Considering this all started and escallated over one man, I think the workers should have bit the bullet and returned to work, albeit with lesser pay and conditions, not easy, but they would,ve still had a job at the end of the day, surely better than the position they are in now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun sam Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 This will be a big blow to old Leapy Salmond as a lot of the independance debate relates around the North Sea oil revenue mind you it would be no great loss Him and His minister for injustice going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 ******** the company was loosing money every year and wanted to make cuts. Why should you pay Into a final salary pension then not benefit when the goal posts are moved but your co workers who've retired are getting it. If they were going to invest 300 million,the pay and pensions were a drop in the Ocean. I don't think it's the workers or Union who is stubborn but the company wanting to cut their money. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I'd try to convince the company to relocate to the North East: lots of lovely industrial land, lots of central Government regen. money to sweeten the deal, an unemployed workforce to tap into for staff. Give the Scots a taste of competition against an independent England. Bring on the referendum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice cushie shooter Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Figgy surely its better to lose a final salary pension to still have a job and a damn good and well paid one at that. Relocation would cost more as the forties pipeline is already in place to pipe to grangemouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I can't find out if they are closing the final salary scheme to new starters or getting everyone to swap over but tough. Welcome to the world most people I know live in. Had it not been for that ******* Brown raiding the pension schemes we would be in a better place. Mt brother paid into a final salary scheme for over 2o years and then had it swapped to a money purchase scheme. Very few final salary schemes are around now. I believe public sector are still ok. On another subject, I did not hear the public sector unions support the private sector when final salary schemes were affected so consequently I do not have a lot of sympathy when the same thing is happening to public sector schemes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I don't think they will close it if they were looking to invest such a large amount. If they do go ahead with closure they were going to close it regardless. The pensions for current workforce should stand and any new starts are on a different deal. As to the poster saying relocate it to the North East we already have an Ineos Plant on Seal Sands along with offshore oil pipelines and plants. We would welcome more with open arms. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice cushie shooter Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 The 300 million was allegedly planned to put a pipeline in to bring gas into grangemouth from usa as not enough was being sent in from the north sea oil fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) As a former Steward of that Union, I have witnessed the Scargill attitude creeping back in. The lads I used to work with were of the opinion they would never shut the place down as it made too much money. Fast forward a few years and the lads who squawked loudest are now out of a job and that section of the plant is being dismantled. Dinosaur attitudes lead to extinction and I'm afraid they brought this upon themselves. Edit to add.....not the refinery...I was referring to my current workplace, Chemical Industry. Edited October 23, 2013 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Those that urged the men to stay out on strike are still in a job aren't they? Their Christmas is not ruined, their future is not in jeopardy, they are not looking at being made homeless! Mind you the workers should not have followed like bleating sheep over the damned cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I find it hilarious that many union leaders are critical of those business leaders they call fat cats yet they are doing exactly the same thing! Animal farm all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Reports suggest the refining plant was losing £10m per day. The union have now gone cap in hand to Ineos and may get a partial resumption of processing and save some jobs, subject to a meeting (yet to be arranged) of all shareholders - this is assuming they smell the coffee (now its been on the stove boiling for a while). I sincerely hope the plant is retained and profitable for all those families whos livelihood depends on the plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 How long did it take to call the union's bluff? Less than twelve hours? I suggest that they don't take up any form of card game, or they'll be going home without the shirts on their backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I find it hilarious that many union leaders are critical of those business leaders they call fat cats yet they are doing exactly the same thing! Animal farm all over again. To true half of them are in it it for one thing and that's money , all they ever advise is strike , strike strike The workplace would be a better place without some of the union and there leaders Just my opinion of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 To true half of them are in it it for one thing and that's money , all they ever advise is strike , strike strike The workplace would be a better place without some of the union and there leaders Just my opinion of course Kdubya will be along shortly to dispense the medicine..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Kdubya will be along shortly to dispense the medicine..... go on then oh bitter one, I will bite, we have just witnessed the singular disemboweling of a trade union,one that fell hook line and sinker for a threat, a threat made by a maverick billionaire tax exile, who used the tactics of take it or I will close it,a tactic that even threatened the infrastructure of Scotland, and now with the turn around ha ha of this maverick, probably has Cameron and that odious little *** Salmond falling over themselves to offer subsidies and sweeteners,I have no time for len Macluskie but the implications of this for decent moderate trade unionists are going to be far reaching, the new negotiation tactic will be to pull the rug then accept a grovel. KW Edited October 25, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Mt brother paid into a final salary scheme for over 2o years and then had it swapped to a money purchase scheme. Very few final salary schemes are around now. I believe public sector are still Most are now closed a mate had an interview where it still open but a very specialist organisation with fe employees.... I am glad that the negotiations have been restarted hopefully with the union in its proper place..... I hope the plant can remain profitable and grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 I imagine slug Hammond has offered huge amounts of goverment money to save union morons faces. No doubt that bill will be a UK bill if he gets a free Jockland and they will not have to pay the bill for his current bribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 go on then oh bitter one, I will bite, we have just witnessed the singular disemboweling of a trade union,one that fell hook line and sinker for a threat, a threat made by a maverick billionaire tax exile, who used the tactics of take it or I will close it,a tactic that even threatened the infrastructure of Scotland, and now with the turn around ha ha of this maverick, probably has Cameron and that odious little *** Salmond falling over themselves to offer subsidies and sweeteners,I have no time for len Macluskie but the implications of this for decent moderate trade unionists are going to be far reaching, the new negotiation tactic will be to pull the rug then accept a grovel. KW Indded but what he is doing is quite legal and it's his money to spend. If I was about to write a cheque for 300 million I would want the workers commitment. As I keep stating. The tax issue is one of political making. if accountants rather than politicians made the rules....... Tax people too much and they will walk to somewhere else as our French friends have found.. It's a fine balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Indded but what he is doing is quite legal and it's his money to spend. If I was about to write a cheque for 300 million I would want the workers commitment. As I keep stating. The tax issue is one of political making. if accountants rather than politicians made the rules....... Tax people too much and they will walk to somewhere else as our French friends have found.. It's a fine balance. go on then have a guess where this 300 million suddenly appeared from? oh and if accountants made the rules ooh me ribs! I thought bankers knew about money seems they didnt , just because you can count does not mean you can run a country. KW Edited October 25, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 go on then have a guess where this 300 million suddenly appeared from? KW The back of your sofa? My guess would be mostly overseas investment .... China? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 The back of your sofa? My guess would be mostly overseas investment .... China? ooh jeez you got no lights? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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