My dog attacked by another today whilst on public footpath.

[kent]

Staffies are a problem everywhere.

 

Not dogs fault I know, but the constant excusing of their aggressive behaviour is getting tiring.

 

Gordon R, I assume not Ramsey otherwise I think your wife would get far more swearing at your own hands LOL

 

It is time to bring in restrictions on staff breeding, not because they are bad dogs but because they are being bred out of all proportion and huge amounts find themselves in rehome due to bad ownership.

 

No need to ban, and I realise you can't legislate for an owner being a ****, but something has to be done before the breed gets banned altogether which would be a shame.

 

You know what the Border collie is always in the top biters, the rest of the list is made up by popularity of the breed at said time in history. The interest in breed is quite wrong though I concur a lot of bad owners choose certain breeds at present

[kent]

His dog seems to of been in danger of suffering serious injury, I don't think is actions were unjustified he did enough to stop the incident then stopped, I don't claim to be a legal expert but i'm sure a good solicitor would call that reasonable force & i'm not sure he committed an offence.

 

before you reply please note my tone was neither rude or aggressive just my thoughts

 

How? if the cocker cannot be bitten it can only suffer a bit of rough housing, the darn thing was also off the lead if it were correctly trained he could have called it to heel. Holding or restraint of the other dog or his own could be very effective. Kicking a dog can easily prove fatal, it was muzzled and my view is it was a cowardly and cruel act commited in temper. In the right circumstances I might have acted even more forcefully but these were not those and of course neither of us were there. No offence taken its a discussion

[Kes]

It must also be true that if you dont love your dog and wouldnt always react to defend it, then you are a pathetic dog owner.

You can discipline your dog but woe betide anyone else who presumes to do so.

 

Put it on a lead where it is likely to come across other people or dogs and the problems are solved.

 

Most difficult disputes we have had on our shoot is when someones dog has a go at another causing injury - also when guns kick others dogs to stop them scrapping or mating with their special dog.

When shooting, your dog is free and must take its chance - within reason.

JMO.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but anticipation and planning accordingly is always wise.

 

 

If your spaniel was at heel, why didnt you grab the bigger dog's muzzle? Maybe your spaniel unintentionally provoked the attack after the initial contact by running away? Best on a lead.

[overandunder2012]

Serious point - you have jumped to the conclusion that the woman knows her dog will attack. I have had some GSDs and Akitas muzzled - none of which had ever attacked another dog.

muzzling a non aggressive dog i have thought of this as it would certainly ensure there were never any accusations made against the dogs but i fear if they were attacked they would have no chance. all this would be avoided if all dogs were muzzled in public places by law.

Edited October 27, 2013 by overandunder2012

[the pigeon man]

I bull dog with a harness on tried attacking mine other week I just picked it up chucked it in a ditch any out of control dog needs teaching

[strangford wildfowler]

I bull dog with a harness on tried attacking mine other week I just picked it up chucked it in a ditch any out of control dog needs teaching

 

I agree with the pigeon man, here's an idea you should carry about half a broom shaft and if any other dog attacks your dog just give the attacker a good wack with the stick

[timmytree]

This is a very emotive subject, I tend to agree that maybe all dogs should be on leads in public places, whether they should all be muzzled as well I don't know.

All dogs are capable of attacking but staffies and the like are usually singled out because they look the part, like shaven headed blokes covered with tattoos maybe?

Lets imagine a different scenario that I witnessed some time ago, a family up the road from us had a staffie that they would allow to roam in the park opposite on its own, it had attacked a number of dogs usually the smaller fluffy ones. My neighbour and I ran over to help one old lady when the staffie had her little dog in a grip, her dog was on a lead.

My neighbour pinned the staffie down, he's a huge chap and very strong, he basically throttled the staffie until it released.

The staffies owners came to get the dog and were warned in no uncertain terms that if it happened again there would be serious trouble.

Some weeks later the dog was roaming again and attacked a terrier type dog, this dog was feisty, got knocked off his feet but before the staffie could catch hold the terrier had it by the gentlemans vegetables. 20 seconds of ferocity and the staffie was left with badly torn bits and a massive gash in its belly.

The old chap who owned the terrier was quite happy with the outcome and there was no need to intervene, the staffie was put down soon after because it bit the chavvie owner. Some people would say the staffie got what it deserved, the terrier was defending itself, fair enough.

But in the case of a smaller, older dog, maybe like my old girl who is now 14 years old?

She can't defend herself, can't even run anymore so I have to be prepared to defend her like I would my family, if she ever got attacked I would use whatever force needed to prevent her from being hurt, if that meant injuring or killing another dog then so be it. I will add that I have never been in that situation, my dog is always on the lead in public.

[the pigeon man]

If any dog tried to lock jaws on mine I wouldn't think twice about snapping it neck !!!! Had to do it when found dogs with livestock a boot in the side would do **** all to a mad dog

[scotslad]

They actually say the quickiest way to get a 'lock jaw' type off dog or possibly any dog is to choke them off using ur lead, althou i'm sure the breaking sticks work too (but most folk won't carry 1 in a public park)

 

When my dog was attacked many years ago the owner was brand new and booted the living **** out off his dog but it still hung on not releasing its grip on my dogs neck, he virtually had to prise the dogs jaws open to eventually get the dog to release its grip. It was only a mongrel that was a staffie lab cross.

Actually really nice owners but had 3 bitches, garden gate open next to their house in the countryside and this dog ran out to proect his 'pack', all were nuetured rescue dogs. They were pretty shocked by vicousness off it all and said they were talking dog to be PTS. I never walked that track again.

[strangford wildfowler]

They actually say the quickiest way to get a 'lock jaw' type off dog or possibly any dog is to choke them off using ur lead, althou i'm sure the breaking sticks work too (but most folk won't carry 1 in a public park)

 

 

 

I know a fare few lads who carry sticks with them when they walk there dog, wether it is to keep there dog in order or to keep other dogs in line, and they are not afraid to hit the dog in public either if it is misbehaving, but they don't by hammer the dog only a sharp tap if it was there

[overandunder2012]

im getting a very heavy walking stick with a big lumpy bit on the end off ebay as we speak that and a very cheap and nasty spray deodorant for the eyes i mean for my bad bo

[bicykillgaz]

His dog seems to of been in danger of suffering serious injury, I don't think is actions were unjustified he did enough to stop the incident then stopped, I don't claim to be a legal expert but i'm sure a good solicitor would call that reasonable force & i'm not sure he committed an offence.

 

before you reply please note my tone was neither rude or aggressive just my thoughts

No reasonable force would be to grab its collar and drag it away from his dog, as it was muzzled it posed no real threat. Assaulting a muzzled dog doesn't sit well with me it's no different to a chav kicking his tied up staffy to make it aggressive.

 

I'm glad the op's dog wasn't injured but kicking a dog that obviously has some sort of aggression problem but was muzzled is just adding to that dogs aggression. Granted the dog should have been on a lead but at least it was muzzled. As the op says he's a big guy, surely there was another option before resorting to violence.

[Dougy]

Dogs in the park without leads on IMO is a No No,

Both are to blame,

 

If your dog was on a lead and got attacked by another off the lead by all means do what you like to the attacker.

I am afraid to say that what happened - happened and could have been avoided if "both" were on leads.

[GingerCat]

It's not the dog it's the owner, I have often been surrounded by attack dogs, and I mean attack dogs yet never been bit as they were well trained, I have also Been bitten by a variety of dogs from small tertiers to bull mastiffs, always the owner was to blame.

What to do is an emotive subject, I have seen dogs shot, beaten or simply told to stop.

Ultimately you can go and buy an 18st animal with massively powerful jaws and just get in with it, a recipe for disaster if u ask me, what's the answer I don't know. Muzzles would help as they can't bite but should all dogs be on a lead? Maybe only on private property? Where will it end if we go down that route.

Responsible ownership is important in most things we do in life, you need a licence and insurance to drive a car,it shoukdnt be ddifferent with pets imo.

[Dougy]

It's not the dog it's the owner, I have often been surrounded by attack dogs, and I mean attack dogs yet never been bit as they were well trained, I have also Been bitten by a variety of dogs from small tertiers to bull mastiffs, always the owner was to blame.

What to do is an emotive subject, I have seen dogs shot, beaten or simply told to stop.

Ultimately you can go and buy an 18st animal with massively powerful jaws and just get in with it, a recipe for disaster if u ask me, what's the answer I don't know. Muzzles would help as they can't bite but should all dogs be on a lead? Maybe only on private property? Where will it end if we go down that route.

Responsible ownership is important in most things we do in life, you need a licence and insurance to drive a car,it shoukdnt be ddifferent with pets imo.

 

 

 

Maybe the return of a dog License it would need to be a little for than 7s & 6p though

[Gordon R]

A dog licence would be as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

[overandunder2012]

r I don't know. Muzzles would help as they can't bite but should all dogs be on a lead?

no need for leads if they cant bite, everyone's a winner with muzzles in public places

[kent]

If any dog tried to lock jaws on mine I wouldn't think twice about snapping it neck !!!! Had to do it when found dogs with livestock a boot in the side would do **** all to a mad dog

 

A boot in the side will break ribs, puncture lungs, tear the diaphragm. stop the heart. If you boot the wrong dog and don't kill or incapacitate it then it will defend itself. Good luck on that one your risking either court on charges or hospital for treatment or .....

[bicykillgaz]

Licensing is a waste of time who's gonna enforce it our over stretched police force? Can't see that happening.

 

Just make tougher sentences for the idiots who encourage aggression in their pets and make it law for all dogs of any breed to be muzzled in public, job done.

 

My male has been bitten whilst on the lead by five dogs a lurcher (stray), Doberman (steroid freak owner who think the lead looks better draped over his neck rather than round his dogs) a boarder collie (one of 4 all walked off the lead) a staffie and clumber spaniel all were off their leads. The owners attitudes varied from apologetic to arrogance. the most annoying was the silly old cow with the clumber who's dog came up to mine sniffed then snapped at his face and she said 'yeah, he does that sometimes' to which I replied 'well ******* muzzle it then!' Then I got a dirty look, not a sorry or anything!

[bicykillgaz]

If any dog tried to lock jaws on mine I wouldn't think twice about snapping it neck !!!! Had to do it when found dogs with livestock a boot in the side would do **** all to a mad dog

It's difficult enough to neck a hare never mind a dog that means business, if it's locked on your better off holding it still to minimise tearing to your dog and to not wind it up more, and using a lead to strangle it till it releases then you've already got it in a position where you can control it better.

[Penelope]

BBC2's the Wonder of Dogs and the staff was not the only breed to show that reaction.

 

A staffie might not feel pointless if you lived in a small flat on a crime riddled estate, and perhaps you'd like to take it down to the chip shop with you too.

 

I recently listened to a broadcast about the psychology of different dog breeds, and as part of the testing they got an actress to act in a tearful manner near the dogs. The staffie was the only breed to regularly visit the actress to investigate, and also appeared concerned.

[bicykillgaz]

Mick - I have noticed chavs with Staffies, but a few good friends have Staffies which are great with their kids.

 

The most aggressive dog I have seen in some years was this morning. A couple of pensioners had a large dog - probably 26" at the shoulder and weighing about 120lbs - looked like a Bulldog on stilts. I asked them what it was - they said it was a Bulldog.

 

I have never seen one looking remotely like this one.

 

The woman said it would lick a burglar to death and was great with their grandkids. Me and my mate had gone no more than 10 yards - I had just been passing a remark about cross bred dogs - when we noticed the gentle leggy Bulldog launch into a small terrier.

 

It went bananas. The terrier owner was less than happy and a few pleasantries were exchanged. This was in a market with a fair number of people there.

It'll be an American bulldog basically a boxer/mastiff/pitbull/bulldog hybrid, like any there nice dogs in the right hands.

[kent]

Licensing is a waste of time who's gonna enforce it our over stretched police force? Can't see that happening.

 

Just make tougher sentences for the idiots who encourage aggression in their pets and make it law for all dogs of any breed to be muzzled in public, job done.

 

My male has been bitten whilst on the lead by five dogs a lurcher (stray), Doberman (steroid freak owner who think the lead looks better draped over his neck rather than round his dogs) a boarder collie (one of 4 all walked off the lead) a staffie and clumber spaniel all were off their leads. The owners attitudes varied from apologetic to arrogance. the most annoying was the silly old cow with the clumber who's dog came up to mine sniffed then snapped at his face and she said 'yeah, he does that sometimes' to which I replied 'well ******* muzzle it then!' Then I got a dirty look, not a sorry or anything!

 

You got a YOUNG ADULT male dog? therein may lay the answer, your dog might elicit attack by its very smell (all testosterone)

[Gordon R]

bicykillgaz - I think you may well be right - it looked to be made up from that mix. The lad with the terrier told the pensioner his dog was dangerous - who retorted that it wasn't dangerous as it was on a lead - at the same time - making no effort whatsoever to pull the dog back. He looked quite pleased with himself.

 

The dog itself seemed very quiet up to all this kicking off and I will admit I did not actually see what started if off - I just saw it launch forward. The dog deserved a better owner.

[bicykillgaz]

 

You got a YOUNG ADULT male dog? therein may lay the answer, your dog might elicit attack by its very smell (all testosterone)

possibly, although he was around 12 months at the time but had no testicles so doubt he'd be giving off much of anything. The fact still remains 5 very different breeds all off the lead whilst mine was on the lead bit unprovoked, wouldn't of happened if they was on a lead or muzzled not fussed which.