UKIP... what do you know about them?

[Nikk]

Ukip always come up with populist ideas,but then again so did Hitler.Every Ukip supporter I know is racist but they all claim their not.

 

 

You don't work for the BBC do you?

[88b]

I wonder if UKIP can do any worse than the others. I'm ashamed to admit I thought it may actually do us some good when Blair got elected, just shows how wrong I can be. Osbourne and Cameron do seem to be making progress and I can only imagine the mess they were left to sort out, but Cameron promised a vote on the EU if re elected in 2015 now it's 2017. IMO all of them will do as they please and tell us what they think we want to hear until they lose power. Perhaps it is all a front from Nigel Farage but I'm impressed with the way he sticks it to the EU . I'm prepared to give him a chance

[kent]

Just imagine what things might be like now with a conservative / UKIP co-Government rather than what we have. Now imagine the UKIP vote loosing Tory seats at the next Election and letting Labour back in by de-fault. One should remember we have not got a Conservative government but a co- government, never going to be the best situation but a lot better than to leave Labour and their crazy ideas and vote bribery taking us still further under.

So my thoughts are if Conservatives can get in again in your area do not vote UKIP and end up with Labour running the country by default. On the other hand if you are not in such a Tory seat Vote UKIP and give our country a chance to recover. At all costs keep the other guys from getting back power or we are finished!

[Nikk]

Just imagine what things might be like now with a conservative / UKIP co-Government rather than what we have. Now imagine the UKIP vote loosing Tory seats at the next Election and letting Labour back in by de-fault. One should remember we have not got a Conservative government but a co- government, never going to be the best situation but a lot better than to leave Labour and their crazy ideas and vote bribery taking us still further under.

So my thoughts are if Conservatives can get in again in your area do not vote UKIP and end up with Labour running the country by default. On the other hand if you are not in such a Tory seat Vote UKIP and give our country a chance to recover. At all costs keep the other guys from getting back power or we are finished!

 

I think you are right regarding the tactical voting. I've always had to vote tactically here because Conservatives don't stand a chance in my constituency, in many ways I am lucky to be able to make a 'stick it to the man' vote. What's been great to see is that UKIP have made major inroads in Labour and Lib Dem areas.

 

Like or hate them UKIP have changed the political landscape for the better. The three big parties have been treating us like mugs for years and UKIP have got them scared and they don't seem to know how to deal with them. Now so called safe seats aren't safe anymore so if the politicians in the big three want our vote they need to prove what they are going to do for us.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Nikk

[Dekers]

Ukip always come up with populist ideas,but then again so did Hitler.Every Ukip supporter I know is racist but they all claim their not.

 

What is racist/racism?

 

Looking after your own first, if that is the case the world is guilty.

[figgy]

I will be voting UKIP there lack of experience in running a country can only be a good thing for me as they will do what they think is right. Hope they get the chance to sort this country out.

 

The other three parties should be ashamed of themselves at what they have done and not done when should have.

 

Figgy

[Paul223]

Just imagine what things might be like now with a conservative / UKIP co-Government rather than what we have. Now imagine the UKIP vote loosing Tory seats at the next Election and letting Labour back in by de-fault. One should remember we have not got a Conservative government but a co- government, never going to be the best situation but a lot better than to leave Labour and their crazy ideas and vote bribery taking us still further under.

So my thoughts are if Conservatives can get in again in your area do not vote UKIP and end up with Labour running the country by default. On the other hand if you are not in such a Tory seat Vote UKIP and give our country a chance to recover. At all costs keep the other guys from getting back power or we are finished!

Indeed

[figgy]

Ukip always come up with populist ideas,but then again so did Hitler.Every Ukip supporter I know is racist but they all claim their not.

Racist, this country has a race of people, is it wrong to want to keep it that way and protect what we have. Not have our borders opened to all and our country bled dry by people who have not paid into it. Wars were fought in the past over this.

 

Figgy

[maxie]

Racist, this country has a race of people, is it wrong to want to keep it that way and protect what we have. Not have our borders opened to all and our country bled dry by people who have not paid into it. Wars were fought in the past over this.

 

Figgy

This country is a multiracial country like it or not,it has been for years ,you can`t turn the clock back.With Ukip we don`t know what we`re voting for,they are very quick to see which way the wind is blowing and then jump on the bandwagon.When times are hard people look for scapegoats to blame like immigrants or Europe.It`s not fashionable at the moment to voice opinions like these especially on here,but not all shooters are right wing.I`ll get my coat shall I.

[Sprackles]

Just imagine what things might be like now with a conservative / UKIP co-Government rather than what we have. Now imagine the UKIP vote loosing Tory seats at the next Election and letting Labour back in by de-fault. One should remember we have not got a Conservative government but a co- government, never going to be the best situation but a lot better than to leave Labour and their crazy ideas and vote bribery taking us still further under.

So my thoughts are if Conservatives can get in again in your area do not vote UKIP and end up with Labour running the country by default. On the other hand if you are not in such a Tory seat Vote UKIP and give our country a chance to recover. At all costs keep the other guys from getting back power or we are finished!

 

My area has been identified as one where the Torys will lose to labour through the UKIP vote......will I change my mind and vote tactically ?.......NO......because then my message will not have got through and the same old process will continue.

I intend to vote UKIP because that way the Torys may just get the message that they need to change....they are relying on tactical votes and scaremongering UKIP supporters to get themselves re-elected........well not this time mateys...too many lies and broken promises.

[Nikk]

This country is a multiracial country like it or not,it has been for years ,you can`t turn the clock back.With Ukip we don`t know what we`re voting for,they are very quick to see which way the wind is blowing and then jump on the bandwagon.When times are hard people look for scapegoats to blame like immigrants or Europe.It`s not fashionable at the moment to voice opinions like these especially on here,but not all shooters are right wing.I`ll get my coat shall I.

 

I think you are confusing UKIP and the BNP. UKIP have no policy regarding race nor keeping any form of racial purity. They are against unlimited immigration or an open door policy which is forced on to us by the EU. Their policy was to have a freeze in immigration to let the dust settle and then allow skilled workers to come here not unskilled people who complete with young people and make it very hard for them to get a foot on the ladder.

 

Now about the voters...there are racists in all walks of life, some of them vote for Labour, Conservatives and the Lib Dems. Do you know that there is at least one ex BNP councilor who is now a councilor for Labour? BNP members are banned from joining UKIP unlike the three main parties. They have ethnic minorities as members and I believe councilors.

 

Calling all UKIP voters racist is just offensive but we're used to it now. It is a term that seems to be getting used by people who know they've already lost the argument.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Nikk

[maxie]

 

I think you are confusing UKIP and the BNP. UKIP have no policy regarding race nor keeping any form of racial purity. They are against unlimited immigration or an open door policy which is forced on to us by the EU. Their policy was to have a freeze in immigration to let the dust settle and then allow skilled workers to come here not unskilled people who complete with young people and make it very hard for them to get a foot on the ladder.

 

Now about the voters...there are racists in all walks of life, some of them vote for Labour, Conservatives and the Lib Dems. Do you know that there is at least one ex BNP councilor who is now a councilor for Labour? BNP members are banned from joining UKIP unlike the three main parties. They have ethnic minorities as members and I believe councilors.

 

Calling all UKIP voters racist is just offensive but we're used to it now. It is a term that seems to be getting used by people who know they've already lost the argument.

Nikk I never said all Ukip voters were racist.I said all UKip supporters I know are racist.You`ve stated the EU has forced an open door policy on immigration on us which they have not,there isn`t an open door policy on immigration in this country or never has been .EU citizens can come,but that is what we signed up for like it or not.

[Twistedsanity]

UKIP , I think Mr Farage is a little posh boy with a privileged upbringing who boasted about claiming 2 million in expenses as a euro mp which makes him a money grabbing little toff, and as for the other bunch they have spent in 3 years what labour spent in 13 ! All you are getting by voting is a different coloured tie on the berks that rip us off, lie to us and waste billions of our taxes . We need a new system not a new coloured tie

[Paul223]

 

My area has been identified as one where the Torys will lose to labour through the UKIP vote......will I change my mind and vote tactically ?.......NO......because then my message will not have got through and the same old process will continue.

I intend to vote UKIP because that way the Torys may just get the message that they need to change....they are relying on tactical votes and scaremongering UKIP supporters to get themselves re-elected........well not this time mateys...too many lies and broken promises.

And you think liebour are going to listen to you and your ukip protest vote, nope you'll be condemning us to another unaffordable muticulturatastic red ed journey ....... Well done !

[Nikk]

The only thing we really signed up to knowingly was to remain a member of the EEC which was largely a trade organization and certainly not political union. That is the only time the public were given any choice. We got no choice on the Lisbon treaty it was foisted upon us and they've now tried to make a political union and turn Europe in to a country.

 

I have no issue with trade deals nor reduced restrictions on the flow of people providing it is done sensibly.

 

I have a lot of issue with us losing our democratic rights and that is what has and will continue to happen eventually if we stay in the EU.

[kent]

Nikk I never said all Ukip voters were racist.I said all UKip supporters I know are racist.You`ve stated the EU has forced an open door policy on immigration on us which they have not,there isn`t an open door policy on immigration in this country or never has been .EU citizens can come,but that is what we signed up for like it or not.

Yes, as a result they come for free health care their own countries don't offer. Also child benefit is paid to their family abroad (not only loosing the payment but also loosing were it is spent- this money leaves our economy if spent abroad). Unemployment benefit and child allowance comes to more than a working wage in some of these new shortly to enter countries, never mind Cameron says they have to be here a full three months before they claim - thanks a bunch Cam! Labour love to see them come and are not to fussed about low and unskilled workers being here COZ THATS THERE CORE VOTERS - keeps them in a job!

 

One thing Cameron is right about is we need to link more to China and the growing economies- forget America they are living on debt just like the rest of us and started the debt crisis in the first place. European unification failed, thank god we are not also a Euro country and still have the option to leave with Stirling. Europe costs us more than we get from it BUT we need to break slowly or fail quickly- its time to build a new plan but not to cut the docking lines during a storm!

[henry d]

 

What is racist/racism?

 

Looking after your own first, if that is the case the world is guilty.

 

No, this is racism...generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioural characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently and a racist is someone who believes this to be so.

[maxie]

Nikk I know Ukip hasn`t got any policies on race but it does seem to attract a lot of attention because of racist comments by some of it`s members Bongo Bongo land,repatriate them all etc,and will attract racist support.I`ve worked throughout Europe in my life so I cant complain about Polish plumbers,Romanian apple pickers,that`s what a single market is about,free movement of capital and labour.

[overandunder2012]

one think you can count on is the CONservatives will promis a referendum but you wont get it and LIEbor wont leave the eu lib dems dont count for anything, basically the next elections is all about europe and if you are wanting out of europe people are looking to ukip as its policy is to bail. somebody said their mp's would be real people with real jobs (early days yet)

 

they maybe worth a punt in the euro elections that could be amusing

Edited December 9, 2013 by overandunder2012

[Paul223]

 

No, this is racism...generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioural characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently and a racist is someone who believes this to be so.

So if I believe that there are different races and that there are major cultural differences then I'm a racist?

[poontang]

I think UKIP will storm the EU elections in May next year.

 

They have no hope of winning a general election, and at best may be in a position to form a coalition, though even that is doubtful for 2015. Maybe at the following election (2019/20) if they're still about.

 

I do think we'll see the demise of the Lib Dems at the next general election, and UKIP become the 3rd 'major' party.

[overandunder2012]

I think UKIP will storm the EU elections in May next year.

 

They have no hope of winning a general election, and at best may be in a position to form a coalition, though even that is doubtful for 2015. Maybe at the following election (2019/20) if they're still about.

 

I do think we'll see the demise of the Lib Dems at the next general election, and UKIP become the 3rd 'major' party.

your probably right

[Munzy]

 

No, this is racism...generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioural characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently and a racist is someone who believes this to be so.

I don't think Dekers is judging people to be inferior based on their race, I think what he means is that the UK is in a dire state and we need to ensure we are providing for our own residents before spending (and losing) money on a large influx of immigrants.

 

That's not being racist, it is not a judgement on ethnicity, simply a view on how best to manage our national budget by not spending it on people from other countries.

 

...correct me if I'm wrong Dekers!

[Nikk]

I think UKIP will storm the EU elections in May next year.

 

They have no hope of winning a general election, and at best may be in a position to form a coalition, though even that is doubtful for 2015. Maybe at the following election (2019/20) if they're still about.

 

I do think we'll see the demise of the Lib Dems at the next general election, and UKIP become the 3rd 'major' party.

 

 

Yeh I think they will still win some seats though and like you say could form a coalition.

 

I think people are pretty shrewd when it comes down to voting, once people see UKIP do well next year in council and euro elections a lot will probably realise it isn't a futile vote anymore.

 

Personally I am really looking forward to the day after next years elections and watching the Lib/Lab/Con councilors and MEPs crying in to their chips.

[Munzy]

 

Please allow me to help you... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1

 

 

But the ones with clout are out to lunch, Munzy I suggest you do a search on Godfrey Bloom or Stuart Wheeler, just for starters.

Thanks, was watching a video this morning of Bloom being dismissed from the European chamber for insulting the German member. Since read about his embarrassing antics elsewhere. Also watched an embarrassing video of Victoria Ayling. Also read about the inconsistencies in their flat rate income tax policies and an overall black hole of £120b.

 

Frankly I think their policies may well support the next delicate stage in our economic rebuild but I'm put off by their 'amateurish' appearance. Of course I'm also well aware that the media are not supportive of them and I'm probably seeing the worst of them.

 

It sounds like May's EU election will show a massive boost for UKIP and I wonder whether this in turn will add to the momentum they need for 2015.