UKIP... what do you know about them?

[henry d]

So if I believe that there are different races and that there are major cultural differences then I'm a racist?

 

Go back and have another read, you may have missed something.

 

I don't think Dekers is judging people to be inferior based on their race, I think what he means is that the UK is in a dire state and we need to ensure we are providing for our own residents before spending (and losing) money on a large influx of immigrants.

 

That's not being racist, it is not a judgement on ethnicity, simply a view on how best to manage our national budget by not spending it on people from other countries.

 

...correct me if I'm wrong Dekers!

 

No, he asked a question, so I put up a definition. As for spending it on people from another country, well is that strictly true? Recent information suggests that there is a net gain from EU migrants.

[castletyne]

The term racist is used that much these days its become watered down and for many it just goes over their head

 

 

I want to protect the British culture and heritage and way of life

 

If this makes me a racist so be it

[Munzy]

I don't know to be honest there are many conflicting reports of our economy both gaining and losing as a result of EU migrants.

[henry d]

A quick google gives... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10484225/Eastern-European-immigrants-overwhelming-benefit-UK-economy.html this as the top answer, with the existing regulations and DC`s further benefit restrictions, then its a no-brainer.

[Nikk]

I don't know to be honest there are many conflicting reports of our economy both gaining and losing as a result of EU migrants.

 

This is my main objection about too much unskilled immigration.

 

When I was a kid I was like most others pretty useless. I got my first real job and I probably wasn't brilliant at it but it was part of what made me who I am and the beginning of developing a work ethic. As the years went on I then realised that I didn't want to do those rubbish jobs so I strived for bigger and better things eventually going back in to education and getting a degree and a masters degree. Now I suppose you could say I am fairly successful. That first job was my first step in to the work place but today young people struggle to find something like that where they are given training, especially those who aren't very cleaver.

 

There wasn't a lot of choice for employers like there is today (labour market was much smaller), they were forced to pick the best they could out of what was available out of a limited pool. Nowadays the 18 year old boy with no experience has to compete against 30 year olds with degrees for a low skilled job that would ahve got them on the ladder 20 years ago. I've seen it with my own eyes very intelligent and articulate people working in ASDA etc. Employers used to be forced in to taking on young people and forced to train them in to something useful where as now they can take someone highly motivated and with many years of life experience behind them and often a much better education.

 

When it comes down to talking about the net benefit what is not taken in to account is the cost of keeping a million young people on the dole and more importantly plus the social cost of having a million young people with no hope (higher crime etc etc). You can't measure that last point with a ££.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Nikk

[Sprackles]

A quick google gives... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10484225/Eastern-European-immigrants-overwhelming-benefit-UK-economy.html this as the top answer, with the existing regulations and DC`s further benefit restrictions, then its a no-brainer.

Yes but look who's saying it..............

 

 

Eastern European immigrants add far more to the UK economy than they take out and should not face restrictions on their movements, foreign ministers from EU accession countries have said.

[krugerandsmith]

 

I don't Know why ..... We are far more in debt now than when the other shower left. .... UKIP for me they talk my language. ... Mps had no input into their future pay rise !! ( And the band played believe me if you like ).

Update.

The boss of this independent company controlling MPs wages is paid ..... £650 per day for 50 days a year. Independent of course he is.

[Paul223]

 

Go back and have another read, you may have missed something.

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Nope not that I can see

[sako751sg]

A quick google gives... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10484225/Eastern-European-immigrants-overwhelming-benefit-UK-economy.html this as the top answer, with the existing regulations and DC`s further benefit restrictions, then its a no-brainer.

If your trying to make a point by this link fella you won't get much across.Seriously,you are expecting us to believe who and what is involved in it?

Edited December 9, 2013 by sako751sg

[old rooster]

A quick google gives... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10484225/Eastern-European-immigrants-overwhelming-benefit-UK-economy.html this as the top answer, with the existing regulations and DC`s further benefit restrictions, then its a no-brainer.

 

Hmmm, same old pony trotted out by another newspaper, if actually read the article states who made the comments in favour of our country being flooded by migrant workers!

 

The point that none of these comments seem to take into account is that we STILL have to support a massive number of unemployed people who, if economic immigration was controlled, would have those jobs to do. They would probably spend their income in the UK rather than shipping it back to their relatives back home.

 

If the argument is that people here won't do them because they aren't well enough paid why are people flooding in from other countries to do them?

 

Is it because conditions where they come from are far worse or is it that some people here have been systemically brought up to expect that those who do work should pay for their upkeep via the welfare state? I'd suggest a bit of both is involved and the realistic answer is to get the indigenous people here back to work or their benefits chopped. Which party will ever have the nads to properly grasp that nettle is of course another question entirely.

 

To continually trot out the rhetoric that the incoming workers actually give us an overall benefit, when ALL the implications are considered, is nothing more than blatant propaganda.

[Munzy]

Yep, I have to agree, all of the reports (and there are lots of "independent" reports too) supporting the claim that migrants provide X millions to our economy do not take into account the X millions we spend supporting UK citizens who are jobless.

 

I used to believe that migrants were filling jobs that UK citizens couldn't be ***** to get out of the dole queue for but I no longer believe this to be true.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Munzy

[henry d]

Really, how many young unemployed people will (happily) work on farms? How many have the work ethic to do 3 different jobs a day?

[Dekers]

Looking at some of the responses here I am reminded of this old chestnut, which just recently arrived in my email again!

 

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it was, as I filled it lovingly with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table everywhere.

Then some of the birds turned mean. They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud. They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night
and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. So I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be ..... quiet, serene....and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let's see......
Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care and free education, and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegal's came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's second grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to 'press one ' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than the good old Union Jack are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Just my opinion, but maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

If you agree, pass it on; if not, just continue cleaning up the poop!

[FalconFN]

Or, as you seem so fond of the bird feeder but seem to hate birds, why not just buy several bird feeders but no seed, then you can marvel at their beauty all day long without being troubled by those tiresome avian scum-bags.

 

But seriously, who has ever seen cornflakes in a bilingual box or had to press 1 for an English speaker at a bank? Not me. This kind of mis informed and simplistic propoganda does nothing for the much needed debate.

[Zapp]

If there is one thing I hate more than those circular emails, it is the ones where it is painfully, painfully obvious that it originated in another country and yet tries to masquerade as a granny from Rochester or somesuch.

 

Back porch? Emergency Room? Second Grade Class?

 

Sorry for going off topic, but anyone who sends me cack like that gets blocked.

[Guest cookoff013]

no-one to vote for, just ppl to vote against.

[Dekers]

Or, as you seem so fond of the bird feeder but seem to hate birds, why not just buy several bird feeders but no seed, then you can marvel at their beauty all day long without being troubled by those tiresome avian scum-bags.

 

But seriously, who has ever seen cornflakes in a bilingual box or had to press 1 for an English speaker at a bank? Not me. This kind of mis informed and simplistic propoganda does nothing for the much needed debat

 

Just where I have said that?

 

I said............... Looking at some of the responses here I am reminded of this old chestnut.

 

It seems irony escapes you!

Edited December 9, 2013 by Dekers

[old rooster]

Really, how many young unemployed people will (happily) work on farms? How many have the work ethic to do 3 different jobs a day?

 

So is there an inalienable right to happiness in the workplace???

 

Absolutely sums up just why we are where we are; people have to accept that some of the jobs out there aren't perhaps their ideal first choice but that working is the right thing to do morally, if the person is not incapacitated, rather than freeloading off the overburdened state.

 

There is a sub-culture where the work ethic has been removed in an almost surgical manner, it is not acceptable and should never have been encouraged.

Edited December 9, 2013 by old rooster

[FalconFN]

 

Just where I have said that?

 

I said............... Looking at some of the responses here I am reminded of this old chestnut.

 

It seems irony escapes you!

Appologies, I did misunderstand your post. Those type of emails just get my hackles up.

Atb.

[SHOOTEMUP]

I think UKIP will storm the EU elections in May next year.

 

They have no hope of winning a general election, and at best may be in a position to form a coalition, though even that is doubtful for 2015. Maybe at the following election (2019/20) if they're still about.

 

I do think we'll see the demise of the Lib Dems at the next general election, and UKIP become the 3rd 'major' party.

 

 

I Agree but don't forget that if UKIP do get a landslide at the 4th reich/ sorry EU elections its still a whole year until the general election and this may well in fact see many MP.s from other parties jump ship like rats

and try to get into UKIP.

A year is a long time in politics and a hell of a lot can happen in that time and I am really looking forward to it, has anyone else noticed the media campaign against UKIP which seems strange if as the other party leaders say UKIP are insignificant and no threat to them

Interesting times ahead as long as nothing happens to UKIPs leaders in the meantime

[overandunder2012]

 

So is there an inalienable right to happiness in the workplace???

 

Absolutely sums up just why we are where we are; people have to accept that some of the jobs out there aren't perhaps their ideal first choice but that working is the right thing to do morally, if the person is not incapacitated, rather than freeloading off the overburdened state.

 

There is a sub-culture where the work ethic has been removed in an almost surgical manner, it is not acceptable and should never have been encouraged.

theres no way anyone will do a **** job if they can afford not to and it seems they can afford not to so dont hold your breath on that 1.

[old rooster]

theres no way anyone will do a **** job if they can afford not to and it seems they can afford not to so dont hold your breath on that 1.

I'm not holding my breath but it is a big part of the problem innit!! They won't be able to afford not to if their benefits get stopped when they refuse to do a job they are capable of doing.

 

If people just took a step back and looked at the Logic in all of this surely they would see how wrong it all is as currently set up??

[castletyne]

Looking at some of the responses here I am reminded of this old chestnut, which just recently arrived in my email again!

 

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it was, as I filled it lovingly with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

 

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

 

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table everywhere.

 

Then some of the birds turned mean. They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

 

And others birds were boisterous and loud. They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night

and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

 

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. So I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

 

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be ..... quiet, serene....and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

 

Now let's see......

Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care and free education, and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

 

Then the illegal's came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's second grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

 

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to 'press one ' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than the good old Union Jack are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

 

Just my opinion, but maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

 

If you agree, pass it on; if not, just continue cleaning up the poop!

 

 

Maybe this didnt originate in the UK but its true in parts for many areas in the UK

Edited December 9, 2013 by castletyne

[lincs1963]

 

What is racist/racism?

 

Looking after your own first, if that is the case the world is guilty.

[chrisjh]

LMAO

 

I do love the "keeping Great Britain British & protecting our heritage and culture" people think GB popped into existence around 1979, here is some news little Englanders

 

We are a mongrel nation we are the result of peoples travelling across the European land mass and beyond for 5000 years plus, in recent history we are made up from mass colonising and breeding from Scandinavian, Germany, Italian & French regions, we have a diverse mix of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu cultures, that spreads back hundreds of years. we are a melting pot