palopete Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hi wonder if anyone can help - Getting a 22 Hornet soon, and lots of people on these forums either have one or know about them. Was looking at a Weirauch or CZ ( there are no 527's in the country till Late Feb 2014. But will be reloading, where do people get the heads from as some research shows that lots of cast lead bullets for the Hornet are not very accurate - unless someone knows better... FYI Had to have a .22 Hornet as my land near Milton Keynes is too flat for a .223 Cheers Pete H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1979 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 hi there, i dont have one, but my friend has the cz527, It seems good, very accurate. I think i would look at a new rifle as some of the used ones have seen alot of use. If your buying a used rifle just be awear that there are 2 types of hornet, theres the older k-hornet and the new .22 hornet. He reolads his own to, buys the heads etc locally, using a-max i think, with ramshot powder and he uses the pistol primers instead of the small primers. hope this helps simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hello, mate, welcome. Apres moi le deluge - I'm going for the pop corn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I have the 527 used it twice in 18 month, saying that it shoots straight and true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 welcome enjoy the forum loads of people on hear have 22 hornet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 hi there, i dont have one, but my friend has the cz527, It seems good, very accurate. I think i would look at a new rifle as some of the used ones have seen alot of use. If your buying a used rifle just be awear that there are 2 types of hornet, theres the older k-hornet and the new .22 hornet. He reolads his own to, buys the heads etc locally, using a-max i think, with ramshot powder and he uses the pistol primers instead of the small primers. hope this helps simon The first commercially produced 22 Hornet rifle appeared in 1932. I was under the vague impression that the "older K Hornet" was a wildcat variant of this "new 22 Hornet". Heads = bullets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hi wonder if anyone can help - Getting a 22 Hornet soon, and lots of people on these forums either have one or know about them. Was looking at a Weirauch or CZ ( there are no 527's in the country till Late Feb 2014. But will be reloading, where do people get the heads from as some research shows that lots of cast lead bullets for the Hornet are not very accurate - unless someone knows better... FYI Had to have a .22 Hornet as my land near Milton Keynes is too flat for a .223 Cheers Pete H Oh dear who told you that about the land? If its not safe for .223 rem to be used its not safe for Hornet either. Hornet will produce 750 ft lb of energy, in real terms not far behind .223 rem on safety considerations . Cast bullets are really just a niche that's a bit of fun / cheap practice etc. I like 45 grn Seirra Hornet Varminter bullets and a case full of LilGun should get them up to 2900 fps, Can get 3000fps with 40 grn v-max but modified magazines are required though due to the longer bullet, this bullet has a higher BC than the Seirra though I have yet to do a heap of live stuff with this bullet to comment further with any real authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 hi there, i dont have one, but my friend has the cz527, It seems good, very accurate. I think i would look at a new rifle as some of the used ones have seen alot of use. If your buying a used rifle just be awear that there are 2 types of hornet, theres the older k-hornet and the new .22 hornet. He reolads his own to, buys the heads etc locally, using a-max i think, with ramshot powder and he uses the pistol primers instead of the small primers. hope this helps simon .22 Hornet is a direct decendant of the .22 WCF black powder round Like said early 30's. Shortly afterwards Lyle Kilburn Blew the shoulder out so it headspaced there rather than the rim and increased powder capacity slightly (making the first improved case in all probability) Performance is only maginally improved in terms of speed. Std to K versions only need a reamer in the chamber to convert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 .22 Hornet is a direct decendant of the .22 WCF black powder round Like said early 30's. Shortly afterwards Lyle Kilburn Blew the shoulder out so it headspaced there rather than the rim and increased powder capacity slightly (making the first improved case in all probability) Performance is only maginally improved in terms of speed. Std to K versions only need a reamer in the chamber to convert Is it possible to headspace on the shoulder and still get proper lock-up on a rifle designed for a rimmed cartridge ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1979 Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 .22 Hornet is a direct decendant of the .22 WCF black powder round Like said early 30's. Shortly afterwards Lyle Kilburn Blew the shoulder out so it headspaced there rather than the rim and increased powder capacity slightly (making the first improved case in all probability) Performance is only maginally improved in terms of speed. Std to K versions only need a reamer in the chamber to convert thanks kent, i didnt know that about both k and std hornet, Very ture about the hornet and 223 being similer to, atb simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Is it possible to headspace on the shoulder and still get proper lock-up on a rifle designed for a rimmed cartridge ? Yep, the .17 Hornet does just the same, its a bit of a hash job around it compared to just making a new cartridge though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hi wonder if anyone can help - Getting a 22 Hornet soon, and lots of people on these forums either have one or know about them. Was looking at a Weirauch or CZ ( there are no 527's in the country till Late Feb 2014. But will be reloading, where do people get the heads from as some research shows that lots of cast lead bullets for the Hornet are not very accurate - unless someone knows better... FYI Had to have a .22 Hornet as my land near Milton Keynes is too flat for a .223 Cheers Pete H if you live near mk then sporting targets at risley should not be too far from you,if you get a chance pop over and go see steve in the shop he reloads for his .22 hornet and is a fountain of knowledge colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elk hunter Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I own this bad boy. 22 K hornet take down cased. Awsome little beauty and great calibre. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I own this bad boy. 22 K hornet take down cased. Awsome little beauty and great calibre. Andrew That's a lovely looking gun Amazed is selling his 2011 year CZ 527 in 22 Hornet, give him a bell as he needs to pay for new scope he got for his .222 Thanks pal a new owner has been secured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palopete Posted January 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks to all those that replied, I will have to pop over to risely to pick steves brain about reloading . Also had come to the same conclusion about buying a new gun, nice to have it confirmed though, makes it easier to get through "Management" Cant do anything about the land as its mine, FEO insisted that I cant shoot foxes with .22LR hence 22Hornet. But the more I read about the cartridge the more I like it, people do seem to enjoy getting the most out of it. So, thanks for help guys, if anyone has "You need to get bullet heads from there, there much cheaper comments" feel free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks to all those that replied, I will have to pop over to risely to pick steves brain about reloading . Also had come to the same conclusion about buying a new gun, nice to have it confirmed though, makes it easier to get through "Management" Cant do anything about the land as its mine, FEO insisted that I cant shoot foxes with .22LR hence 22Hornet. But the more I read about the cartridge the more I like it, people do seem to enjoy getting the most out of it. So, thanks for help guys, if anyone has "You need to get bullet heads from there, there much cheaper comments" feel free The .22 lr bit is common practice BUT were did the land being too flat for a .223 come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I own this bad boy. 22 K hornet take down cased. Awsome little beauty and great calibre. Andrew That's one Cool Hornet! Not sure I should have shown the Brace of Pheasant by it mind What is it? An original or conversion job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Too far away to tell you where to shop, but: 45gn Speer Spitzer, OAL 0.562", base to ogive 0.289", BC 0.167 45gn Hornady Hornet, OAL 0.616", base to ogive 0.270" BC 0.202 40gn Sierra HP #1385, OAL 0.562", base to ogive 0.238", BC 0.155 plus another Sierra 45gn bullet for which I don't have the detail but am sure Kent will help out here - any of these will do the business. Naturally there are others but I've found these to be the most widely available. Should you end up with a 1 in 14 twist (the norm is 1 in 16 which across the board will handle anything up to 0.6" OAL, above 0.65" you may need the 1 in 14. As a guide, Twist Rate = 3.5 times the square root of the velocity times the bullet diameter squared all divided by the bullet OAL. Dimensions in ft/sec and inches.), then the 50gn Hornady SPSX, OAL 0.666", base to ogive 0.319", BC 0.214 is the 'all fall down' option. But due to magazine length considerations, this might possibly/probably be considered as a slack handful number loaded as a single shot option for the odd longer range shot. Please note, a guide is no more than that and all dimensions will be subject to tolerances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hi wonder if anyone can help - Getting a 22 Hornet soon, and lots of people on these forums either have one or know about them. Was looking at a Weirauch or CZ ( there are no 527's in the country till Late Feb 2014. But will be reloading, where do people get the heads from as some research shows that lots of cast lead bullets for the Hornet are not very accurate - unless someone knows better... FYI Had to have a .22 Hornet as my land near Milton Keynes is too flat for a .223 Cheers Pete H What was the reasoning behind that statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Lots of barrels are fussy, we all know that, same applies to all calibres. Cast lead bullets can be poor for any calibre! Someone may well correct me here, and perhaps I missed comments about it somewhere above, but .22 Hornet is .223 and .224! You need to be sure what you need and then find the right factory ammo or reload recipe. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Lots of barrels are fussy, we all know that, same applies to all calibres. Cast lead bullets can be poor for any calibre! Someone may well correct me here, and perhaps I missed comments about it somewhere above, but .22 Hornet is .223 and .224! You need to be sure what you need and then find the right factory ammo or reload recipe. ATB! Yep, earlier versions were 223 but the norm now (and has been for quite a while) is 224. The former should be avoided as the choice of ammo/bullets is very restricted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 That's one Cool Hornet! Not sure I should have shown the Brace of Pheasant by it mind What is it? An original or conversion job? I put a post on here about 12 months back doing the same got a right slagging of ,personally can't see a problem taking a pheasant with a rifle , plus mine was a head shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1979 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I put a post on here about 12 months back doing the same got a right slagging of ,personally can't see a problem taking a pheasant with a rifle , plus mine was a head shot I new a guy who used to use his air rifle, again head shot, but agree dont see any any problem with it. I been looking at the hornet to buy myself to replace my .17hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elk hunter Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 I don't get it plenty of guys shoot pheasants with air rifles and rim fires. Also in the sporting pictures a guys uses his .35 cal on them no one has broken any law. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/265272-35cal-pheasant/ But for the record the pheasants were given to me by the farm shoot and just took a picture with gun. But this on the other hand I shot a cat, horse and a duck this may well be ilegal. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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