FalconFN Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 To be fair to the op you can see the pellet in flight through your scope as it cuts through the crosshairs, usually only when you have a cloudy sky as a background, which I assume he had on that day. It is also easy to see them using NV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 is the OP a dwarf and 70 paces is really 35 yds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 To be fair to the op you can see the pellet in flight through your scope as it cuts through the crosshairs, usually only when you have a cloudy sky as a background, which I assume he had on that day. It is also easy to see them using NV. I agree, also for the doubters, don't forget seeing the pellet doesn't mean you saw it at 70 yards, it's always a micro second event which could be happening at a distance of maybe 20 yards. I'm usually amongst those who are critical of long shot merchants both air and shot gun as it's neither clever nor necessary but almost all of us are guilty of the occasional chancer shot, this guy held over a long feral and killed it. It would have been a stupid shot at a rabbit but because even a body shot is likely to kill a feral at 70 yards it's not quite so deserving of all round condemnation. It all depends how confident and well practiced you are with a given gun, I own several air guns but even with the FAC rated S510 I'm loath to take shots at rabbits heads over 50-60 yards BUT I regularly take whole body shots at magpies at the same sort of distances using a 16.5 ft lbs HW90 .22 off hand ! I have shot thousands of pellets through this gun, all off hand and it's zero'd for 50 yards, there is no question it's capable of pulling off impressive long kills because I know it quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) even a body shot is likely to kill a feral at 70 yards it's not quite so deserving of all round condemnation. I disagree. And we shouldn't be shooting at live quarry unless we can expect to kill it cleanly. I don't care how confident someone thinks they are with a gun the fact remains a sub 12ftlbs .177 clean kills at 70yds is more luck than judgment. Edited January 20, 2014 by topshot_2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 To be fair to the op you can see the pellet in flight through your scope as it cuts through the crosshairs, usually only when you have a cloudy sky as a background, which I assume he had on that day. It is also easy to see them using NV. At last, a sensible reply Misread posts, pathetic bullying, sarcasm from the usual suspects......... Give it a rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I disagree. And we shouldn't be shooting at live quarry unless we can expect to kill it cleanly. I don't care how confident someone thinks they are with a gun the fact remains a sub 12ftlbs .177 clean kills at 70yds is more luck than judgment. I agree with you, essentially you should NOT take body shot at a feral at 70 yards with sub 12 ft lbs but this guy told it as it happened, he didn't seem to advocate doing it as a regular thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djgeoff Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I am guessing his mate saw the pellet fly as he was using an Nite Site NS50 or 200 with the screen on top of the scope this allows someone who is with you to see the shot taken. Pellet flight is easy to see at night/ dusk on these as they almost look like a laser bolt . Can be embaressing when you fluff a shot though as the distance missed is easy for all to see. the pigeon was daylight normal scope, just pointing out that pellet could be seen ( in the scope), and that it could been seen even better when i shot an entirely different target, different location at night, this time seen by both of us, using ns 200, sorry 4 any confusion Edited January 20, 2014 by djgeoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 the pigeon was daylight normal scope, just pointing out that pellet could be seen ( in the scope), and that it could been seen even better when i shot an entirely different target, different location at night, this time seen by both of us, using ns 200, sorry 4 any confusion i can remember as a lad using my old airsporter with open sites you quite often see the pellet for a second or 2 colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Misread posts, pathetic bullying, sarcasm from the usual suspects......... Give it a rest Perhaps advice the poster should follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingit Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) To be fair to the op you can see the pellet in flight through your scope as it cuts through the crosshairs, usually only when you have a cloudy sky as a background, which I assume he had on that day. It is also easy to see them using NV. Quite right Falcon. I often see the pellet through the scopes and I'm shooting a shade under 30ftp. As to the other question of range.I know it is capable of killing at such range but! - 70yrds IMHO! is a little to far for a 12ftp gun and such a range is best kept for targets ( Not live ones ) To much room for error over that distance even in what we consider "ideal conditions". Edited January 20, 2014 by swingit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Perhaps advice the poster should follow. Yup, your post 24 qualifies you for a full house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Thanks. Happy to be of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Is it possible to see an air rifle pellet through the scope ? Yes. Is it possible to hit and kill a pigeon at 70yd with a 177 12ft/lb air rifle ? Well yes Is it right ? well its questionable. A question for some folk who shoot PCPs check your average spread for velocity, then check for the same in RF I'll bet you that the PCPs are more consistent. So I also recon that PCPs can be more consistent in the right conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Hardly mob mentality, just pointing out that taking random pot shots at birds with only a slim chance of getting a kill isn't covered by the GL and could easily be deemed as unnecessary cruelty, which is illegal. The reason people get wound up about this sort of thing is that it ruins air rifle shooting for everyone. Every time a long range pot shot is taken with a successful outcome there must be a dozen times an animal or bird is left wounded. Great that it was a clean kill thus time, but not so great next time. Yes it is mob mentality. Look anyone with the right level of skill can take out a pigeon at 70 yards with 12 ft lbs, Si Pittaway on verminhunterstv does it all the time. Sure you could argue he isn't an expert and 'had a go' but the most likely result would of been a total miss and with a hit there is plenty enough ft lbs retained in the projtile to make a clean kill which is what happened. If he had winged it? How many birds have you winged and had to go finish off? Lots I bet, we have ALL had to do that one time or another. I don't remember the GL specifying ranges to be shot either. Not that I am saying it's a shot I would of taken myself, I wouldn't have the skill so I would stalk closer, but I'd definitely take a shot at over 50 yards and have done with a successful outcome. Edited January 20, 2014 by srspower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I guess its hard not to boast when you pull off a difficult shot and, truth be told, I bet we have all taken shots at live quarry that, with hindsight, we may have regretted or not repeated. A decent airgun running at the legal limit and in the right hands and conditions is capable of killing at 70 yards but deciding when all of those parameters have come together is open to debate. Not going to insult the OP as its not my place or prerogative but I think you might be wise to take care over your choice of targets that you consider feasible-even more so when you are unfamiliar with your new gun . Careful now, that's bordering on a sensible and balanced post, most un-PW like. ^_^ As for the content of your post, spot on, couldn't agree more. It most certainly is do-able, and it's the individuals decision at the time. Is it time for another 'call out' by video? Last one did make me grin when several people did manage some 'impossibly' small forty yard groups! Still the same names throwing the mud about as then though. Edited January 20, 2014 by -Mongrel- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 At last, a sensible reply Misread posts, pathetic bullying, sarcasm from the usual suspects......... Give it a rest its always been about ! when i first joined this forum there was only a few hundred of us , and it was a much better place looking back than it is now ( at times ) but even then little gangs of armchairs ******* with way too much time on there hands started to form , as a result started to pick on folk , hence one of the reasons why most of the original members just disappeared , and the reason I went , I just could not be doing with the bitching , ripping folk apart because there spelling is a bit off , or they have done something that the MOB don't like ! really who cares , GROW UP theres no need to be a **** everyday ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 70 yards with a 12ft/lbs air-rifle??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Why don't the mods just lock this topic now. It's only gonna go one way and they seem to be shutting down most other threads with conflicting comments at the minute. Just to add my 2p's worth, I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable shooting a pigeon at 70yds with a 12 bore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Why don't the mods just lock this topic now. It's only gonna go one way and they seem to be shutting down most other threads with conflicting comments at the minute. Just to add my 2p's worth, I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable shooting a pigeon at 70yds with a 12 bore. shooting a pigeon at 70yds with a 12 bore. if Mr Digweed can anyone can ,, well I,ll be trying 100yrd shots 2moro, too right I will, I,m gonna have a go at shooting pigeons 2moro night with my air rifle to 100yrds aswell cos that tart on you tube can hit targets at that distance , so why not try and see, :lol: atb Evo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 At the request of the OP the thread is being closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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