TheEnforcer Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hello all, Just joined PW as it seems "the place to be" when it comes to Field Sports. Ive just taken delivery of my 1st shotgun and am keen to go out and put it through its paces. Ive been given permission to shoot in a 12 acre field from the "Tenant (of 18 years)". Now the Tenant as I understand - is not the LandOwner. Is he still able to give permission to shoot? Im only shooting towards, at or near Rabbits and Pigeons - so it would be a pest control exercise. Can anyone clarify my position ? Thanks. BTW - Im Newbury based if anyone is local? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Tenants can give permission to shoot vermin. Your position would probably be best be near the edges shooting towards the inside, depending on the layout of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Tenants can give permission to shoot vermin. Your position would probably be best be near the edges shooting towards the inside, depending on the layout of course. Stood or seated do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Tenants can give permission to shoot vermin. Your position would probably be best be near the edges shooting towards the inside, depending on the layout of course. Makes perfect sense - makes it very clear that Im shooting only on the specified land. Just so Im clear - rabbits and pigeons are vermin. Pheasant, Cows, Horses, Deer, Dogs, Cats, People are not. Scratch that - some people are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Always, always get written permission. If there is any aggro in the future this will help resolve!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyNCC Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Crows fine Phesant in season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Crows fine Phesant in season Crows are fine to shoot but pheasants maybe not, not many tennants hold the sporting rights to the land some do so find out before you shoot any (in season of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Crows fine Phesant in season Pheasants aren't allowed with the tenants permission unless he also has the sporting rights. Tenants can only allow vermin control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Crows fine Phesant in season I wouldn't shoot a pheasant if my permission was only for vermin. Actually I wouldn't shoot one even if I did have permission for that unless I was asked to kill off some at the end of a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for all of your help. It looks like I will be good as long as I stick to vermin inside the 12 acres. What sort of shot sizes would I be looking to throw at pigeon & rabbits? I'm thinking #6 32g ought to do the job. But what about if a fox makes an appearance? I've been told SG is a bit too big but there seems to be a bit of a range of fox loads. What is SG actually for then? Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyNCC Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Well I'm sorry Guess you learn something new every fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for all of your help. It looks like I will be good as long as I stick to vermin inside the 12 acres. What sort of shot sizes would I be looking to throw at pigeon & rabbits? I'm thinking #6 32g ought to do the job. But what about if a fox makes an appearance? I've been told SG is a bit too big but there seems to be a bit of a range of fox loads. What is SG actually for then? Thanks again. 28g-32g in #5 or #6 is fine for what you're after. For the foxes I personally use BB's but a hell of a lot use 1's and even 3's so the choice is yours. I've yet to lose one to BB's which I use anything from 36g up to 42g in 2/34" and 50g in 3". People do use larger shot sizes but as you go up in size you lose a lot of pattern. SG's would normally be used as a deer round where and when permitted (not necessarily in this country either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Can I suggest that you DO get permission in writing before you shoot. Only reason I mention it is because I was in a Game Syndicate that rented the shooting rights from a large Estate. Several people living in cottages around Estate had actually purchased their own properties. The problem was, the Estate NEVER sold the shooting rights EVER. Although we never did, we could have stood in the gardens of these properties and shot LEGALLY. We did have a problem with a Farmer sub letting the pigeon and goose shooting out to a shooting agency and getting very well paid. It all ended one Sunday morning when 8 goose shooters and the Agent were apprehended by the part time keeper and the Police. It all got very messy and ended up being sorted out at the local Police Station. The shooters losing their guns until the situation had been clarified with the Estate, which all took several weeks. Seems the Agent was paying Tennant Farmer £100 per visit, the Guns were paying £50 each per flight to the Agent. It is NOT something you really want to get involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Thanks to all those who helped me out with the above. Turns out the tenant was happy to have me target his pigeon problem but the landowner (estate) wasn't so keen. I think they keep pheasant near the land. They have suggested using poison or traps but don't want guns on the field. Fair enough. Its their garden, their rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Thanks to all those who helped me out with the above. Turns out the tenant was happy to have me target his pigeon problem but the landowner (estate) wasn't so keen. I think they keep pheasant near the land. They have suggested using poison or traps but don't want guns on the field. Fair enough. Its their garden, their rules! If you are able to you could approach the keeper (assuming they have one) and ask if he needs beaters for the upcoming season and possibly offer to help with rearing etc and it may get your foot in the door to more opportunities. The tenant farmer has the right (in most cases) to appoint someone to control vermin on the land he rents if the estate aren't able to do it. Find out if there is a clause in his contract saying he cannot let someone control vermin and if not ask him to maybe see the keeper and maybe introduce you. Even if he has the right to control vermin on his rented land don't try and force the issue with the estate (even though you have every right to do so) as it may make your shooting life in the area awkward. Leave the tenant farmer do the arguing and sort it for you to do the vermin control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 If you are able to you could approach the keeper (assuming they have one) and ask if he needs beaters for the upcoming season and possibly offer to help with rearing etc and it may get your foot in the door to more opportunities. The tenant farmer has the right (in most cases) to appoint someone to control vermin on the land he rents if the estate aren't able to do it. Find out if there is a clause in his contract saying he cannot let someone control vermin and if not ask him to maybe see the keeper and maybe introduce you. Even if he has the right to control vermin on his rented land don't try and force the issue with the estate (even though you have every right to do so) as it may make your shooting life in the area awkward. Leave the tenant farmer do the arguing and sort it for you to do the vermin control. Its just a meadow field as they used to keep horses in the field so they aren't tenant farmers as such, more tenants. The estate has said that it is the tenants responsibility to control any pest, but they don't want to let the tenants appoint me (or anyone) to go shooting. The estate (over several thousand acres) has its own shoots and keeper so I don't really want to push the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 12 Acres is pretty tight as shot could, and probably would, land outside the field if you're shooting at birds so it may be tricky. An air rifle would probably be better for rabbits too. Saying that, a shotgun does draw attention and you never know, you could find the 12 acres becomes much bigger. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daystate 177 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Can you drop a few sizes ie 20 28 or 410 g? A 12g is great but the smaller bores are just a good in there own right a 410 might be a wee bit hard to start as i kept missing everything i tried at 1st but a lovely gun once mastered id have a 20 or a 28g in a beat for game shooting good luck either way im now in the same boat after my owner is selling up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnforcer Posted December 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 After nearly a year of dead ends, I now have permission from the Estate via the Tenant and the 3rd Party who owns the rights over the field. Met up with the chap who asked me to keep away from the pheasant pens on one side of the field, but explained that come the end of the season he could see no reason as to why I couldn't use some more of his rights. He has also put me in touch with another owner who has the adjoining woodlands! Starting to sound like a Guinness / Carlsberg advert! Happy Days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 After nearly a year of dead ends, I now have permission from the Estate via the Tenant and the 3rd Party who owns the rights over the field. Met up with the chap who asked me to keep away from the pheasant pens on one side of the field, but explained that come the end of the season he could see no reason as to why I couldn't use some more of his rights. He has also put me in touch with another owner who has the adjoining woodlands! Starting to sound like a Guinness / Carlsberg advert! Happy Days well done, good things come to he who waits!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudly Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Nice to hear of someone who has listened to advice & been successful. Word of mouth is generally the best way of extending your permission....especially if you put the time in & do a good job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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