-Mongrel- Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Seems the dolphin cull has generated quite a lot of hysteria, and while I know that 99% of what is on Facebook et al is BS and propaganda, I do believe the cull's a bit like bull fighting, in as much as it's outdated and unnecessary, but as a hunter I know that's maybe sailing a bit close to the wind too. I'm interested in other peoples views. Link attached for some background... http://www.hoax-slayer.com/denmark-whaling.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't agree with it is my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't agree with it is my view Agree totally ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 What's the difference between a whale (not close to extinction) and a deer? They do it for food..... probably don't have a plethora of Supermarkets on the Faeroe islands eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 What's the difference between a whale (not close to extinction) and a deer? They do it for food..... probably don't have a plethora of Supermarkets on the Faeroe islands eh? I wouldn't hack a deer to death, taking multiple blows to do it, whilst the rest of the herd were penned in around me looking on and waiting their turn. Would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I agree that its traditionally a source of sustenance but this is the 21st century and there must be more human ways of dispatching the animals.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Indeed, also they are highly intelligent so it's not like they don't know what's going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Iv'e seen quite a few whales Pilots and Minke very close to the later its an amazing sight very exciting, surely the whales would be worth more as a tourist attraction bringing in money for hotels and related infrastructure than as a meal, to kill such an animal is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 It says there curiosity brings them in to humans they are being friendly and being butchered ! John What's the difference between a whale (not close to extinction) and a deer? They do it for food..... probably don't have a plethora of Supermarkets on the Faeroe islands eh? It's not for food it's for becoming a so called man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I wouldn't hack a deer to death, taking multiple blows to do it, whilst the rest of the herd were penned in around me looking on and waiting their turn. Would you? They depend on the sea for their living they can't pop to the shops for a steak. Not much different to the Inuits. "The recently developed spinal lance has now been officially introduced as regulation equipment for the killing of pilot whales. From 1 May 2015 it must be the primary instrument used. As with the traditional whaling knife, the lance is used to sever the spinal cord, which also severs the major blood supply to the brain, ensuring both loss of consciousness and death within seconds. The spinal lance has been shown to reduce killing time to 1-2 seconds, while also improving accuracy and safety" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Theres plenty to catch in the sea's around the Faroe's, good grazing for cattle and food shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Really don't have a problem with it, they have been doing it for years and it does not harm the overall population so can't see a problem. Yes it may look terrible with the blood in the water but if done right i'm sure it is very quick esp if whales are beeched. Do any of u objecting to it fish for salmon or sea trout (catch and release) or coarse fish? How can u justify catching a fish with a hook dragging it aggainst it's will only to either be released again or stuck in a small net to be wieghed in at the end of day. When i was up ate whale, puffin and horse, fantastic country, fantastic folk very friendly, bit mad on the booze thou i loved it. Bit mad with many of the houses having grass roofs If u want to get ur knickers in a twist about something try the ha-al slaughter of animals, happens all over this country, absolutely no need for it in this day and age and should not be allowed I know a small sheep farmer that also works at the market and will not allow there stock to be sold on certain days as that is when the majority of the haal meat is bought, cost's them a bit off money but will not have sheep/lambs he has reared treated like that PS Actually have very few cattle on the faroes, tend to have more horse farms instead and eat the horse, iceland is like that too. Quite a short growing season up there so struggle to grow enough grass to feed cattle throu the long winter Edited January 23, 2014 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Really don't have a problem with it, they have been doing it for years and it does not harm the overall population so can't see a problem. Yes it may look terrible with the blood in the water but if done right i'm sure it is very quick esp if whales are beeched. Do any of u objecting to it fish for salmon or sea trout (catch and release) or coarse fish? How can u justify catching a fish with a hook dragging it aggainst it's will only to either be released again or stuck in a small net to be wieghed in at the end of day. When i was up ate whale, puffin and horse, fantastic country, fantastic folk very friendly, bit mad on the booze thou i loved it. Bit mad with many of the houses having grass roofs If u want to get ur knickers in a twist about something try the ha-al slaughter of animals, happens all over this country, absolutely no need for it in this day and age and should not be allowed I know a small sheep farmer that also works at the market and will not allow there stock to be sold on certain days as that is when the majority of the haal meat is bought, cost's them a bit off money but will not have sheep/lambs he has reared treated like that PS Actually have very few cattle on the faroes, tend to have more horse farms instead and eat the horse, iceland is like that too. Quite a short growing season up there so struggle to grow enough grass to feed cattle throu the long winter If you a actually look into it properly, Halal meat is a very humane way of dispatching an animal. You should research more. A university did a test with brain receptors and showed that ironically it was Halal that was less stressful on the animal (if done correctly). Most mock what they don't understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) PS Actually have very few cattle on the faroes, tend to have more horse farms instead and eat the horse, iceland is like that too. Quite a short growing season up there so struggle to grow enough grass to feed cattle throu the long winter Good to hear from someone who's been there, and it's made me look at it slightly differently, I still don't accept that it's needed/done for food. The islands are in a maritime climate windy and wet with very long 23hrs of daylight in the summer they should be able to conserve grass over the short summer to feed suitable livestock (silage) i assumed they would have cattle and sheep but its horses, are they shetland? They have a good fishing industry with most of the species we have but more abundant, I'm suppose there are small supermarkets for food and drink, I produce/catch a large proportion of the food for my family here and can't see why they shouldnt as well. To kill for tradition sake is awkward I've seen inuits on tv taking the odd whale for food and agreed, if the old time whalers of the Azores decided to do it I would agree, Locally there is an annual cull of gannets on one of the islands and i mostly agree. but Iv'e still got problems with the faroes. sorry for the long winded reply. I would love to go there though Edited January 23, 2014 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I don't like it, but I think it's a case of what you're are desensitised to, some people would feel the same about a pheasant shoot or chav baiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Not being funny like,but isn't the cull happening in Japan. From what I have heard the locals are pleading poverty but selling live female cetaceans for hundreds of thousands of dollars.Also the meat is tainted with high levels of mercury. Give me veal any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 If you a actually look into it properly, Halal meat is a very humane way of dispatching an animal. You should research more. A university did a test with brain receptors and showed that ironically it was Halal that was less stressful on the animal (if done correctly). Most mock what they don't understand Very true, a survey taken from the RSPCA website (of all places) about halal and kosher meat. "In 2012 the Food Standards Agency (FSA) published an Animal Welfare Survey undertaken in abattoirs across Great Britain in a one week period in September 2011. The survey provided numbers of animals slaughtered/killed by the Shechita and Halal methods and indicated that a low percentage of animals killed by all methods during this time were not stunned before slaughter; with 3% of cattle, 10% of sheep and goats, and 4% of poultry slaughtered in Great Britain not receiving a pre-slaughter stun1. The survey showed that around 88% of animals slaughtered by the Halal method were stunned before slaughter. Although at the moment no animals slaughtered by the Shechita method in Great Britain are stunned before slaughter, the FSA survey did indicate that 10% of cattle and calves slaughtered by the Shechita method in Great Britain received a post- cut stun1." With the above in mind, why the big deal about halal... Its exactly the same process except someone acknowledges the fact that the animal about to be slaughtered is one of gods creatures. Not being funny like,but isn't the cull happening in Japan. From what I have heard the locals are pleading poverty but selling live female cetaceans for hundreds of thousands of dollars.Also the meat is tainted with high levels of mercury. Give me veal any day. Yes there was a program about it a year or so a go. The meat was being served in schools and other such places, they "apparently" pulled it away from schools once they realised the high levels of mercury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Aye i was quite surprised by the horses too, not entirely sure wot breed but definately a small hairy type breed, possibly iclandic? I take it the horses must be more hardy than cattle? but will be a very short growing season, i was in faroes in mid may and grass was still yellow and hadn't even started to think about growing up there, quite a few farms back home (sw scotland) will be finished there first cut by mid may the agriculture seemed quite similar to iceland which also had very few cows/cattle. Think milk is quite scarce on the islands. Like u say fishing is a main industry, think they have a few long line boats atleast the boys i was drinking with all seemed to be on the long lines. I have no doubt that under unversity research conditions it is very humane BUT under commercial conditions (and best practice is not always followed) may be a different story, like I said will cost that farmer a bit off money over a year but they will not sell there sheep to those dealers, also know a livestock wagon driver that threated to walk out of his job over a delivery of sheep, he was not happy with a few things that went on. We're very lucky in the uk to have plenty of fertile land (althou still import massive ammounts of grain/meat usually on price not need) but have become desensitiesed to how/where most of wot we eat comes from, also think strange when other coutries eat animals that we would never dream of eating. Same with the seal clubbing looks horrendous wit the blood on the land/ice but as long as the population can stand it and they are clubbed as humanely as possible don't have a problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 is it a cull or are they hunting a set number? can't see why they would need a cull as such. As long as it's sustainable and humane,(is it though?) then I can't really complain. Although I imagine anti's only select the worst photographs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Dunno how anyone that shoots driven game or with a shotgun in general can really stand on any moral high ground about humaneness (and that includes me with my views on haal slaughter) Just means we're all a bit hypicritcal really I don't think there killng large numbers, but i would think all the blood in water will not look very nice, will make a good photo for bunny huggers thou. Seen a couple off documentires about mongolian tribes people, when they killed a goat/sheep would make a small slit in chest cavity put hand inside and pull a vien of the heart so animal bleeds out into the chest cavity as they save all the blood for eating/drinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Dunno how anyone that shoots driven game or with a shotgun in general can really stand on any moral high ground about humaneness (and that includes me with my views on haal slaughter) Just means we're all a bit hypicritcal really I don't think there killng large numbers, but i would think all the blood in water will not look very nice, will make a good photo for bunny huggers thou. Seen a couple off documentires about mongolian tribes people, when they killed a goat/sheep would make a small slit in chest cavity put hand inside and pull a vien of the heart so animal bleeds out into the chest cavity as they save all the blood for eating/drinking You have the prettiest writing on here, I love italics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Dunno how anyone that shoots driven game or with a shotgun in general can really stand on any moral high ground about humaneness (and that includes me with my views on haal slaughter) Just means we're all a bit hypicritcal really I don't think there killng large numbers, but i would think all the blood in water will not look very nice, will make a good photo for bunny huggers thou. Seen a couple off documentires about mongolian tribes people, when they killed a goat/sheep would make a small slit in chest cavity put hand inside and pull a vien of the heart so animal bleeds out into the chest cavity as they save all the blood for eating/drinking You are not kidding!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well i dont shoot driven game so the moral high ground is quiet dry thanks and if you read the first paragraph it says its done to mark adulthood. They eat as a second result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well i dont shoot driven game so the moral high ground is quiet dry thanks and if you read the first paragraph it says its done to mark adulthood. They eat as a second result. Do u shoot a shot gun at all at live game? Not just driven game unless u shoot 1 for 1 100% off time it is very hard to lecture anyone about humane killing. I know i don't, but then again don't have a problem with them killing them either, actually tastes quite nice, whale, althou it was a good(dear) restruant where we had it. As long as the population can stand it don't see the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well i dont shoot driven game so the moral high ground is quiet dry thanks and if you read the first paragraph it says its done to mark adulthood. They eat as a second result. First paragraph of what? A bunch of anti hunting rubbish? You should at least try to educate yourself rather than read that rubbish. http://www.whaling.fo/ When you take your son for his first shoot how is that any different to an 'entry to adulthood' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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