Penelope Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I thought the Mongols squeezed the heart to stop it pumping, that's what I have read. Dunno how anyone that shoots driven game or with a shotgun in general can really stand on any moral high ground about humaneness (and that includes me with my views on haal slaughter) Just means we're all a bit hypicritcal really I don't think there killng large numbers, but i would think all the blood in water will not look very nice, will make a good photo for bunny huggers thou. Seen a couple off documentires about mongolian tribes people, when they killed a goat/sheep would make a small slit in chest cavity put hand inside and pull a vien of the heart so animal bleeds out into the chest cavity as they save all the blood for eating/drinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Does not look good with all the blood in the water, but from the one piece of info from an anti group I don't have enough info to make a informed decision. My quick view on it is: I like tradition and I kill stuff, I do it as quickly and cleanly as possible, if this is the case here I have no problem. When we slaughter animals here at a slaughter house the animals are done one at a time out of sight of their mates, my main problem here is an intelligent animal seeing its family / group slaughtered in front of them and know what is coming. One thing I have noticed is they say it's a intro to adulthood, I don't see many youngens in the photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I understood the mongols squeezed the heart they are a very interesting people, i have come to the conclusion that it is hypocritical of me to disagree with the faroee's? practice however I still disagree, I can see a herd of red deer and feel privileged then I think how well one would fit in my freezer, I will choose my best sheep for the freezer and help with the slaughter, geese and rabbits follow, Fishing is my business, To be close to a large whale in a small boat is the most awe inspiring thing I have seen and I personally would not kill one, I'm a hypocrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I dont look and ignorance in this case is better. It s a small number, its a historic practice and a sustainable population. I'd favour a dialogue with the people involved to try and change their approach. I would hope for a developing view that being 'higher' mammals, the most humane methods could be emplyed until the practice died out. People used to exist in Scotland on sea bird eggs and seabirds themselves but the islanders left to seek the better living on the mainland. It has no commercial driver so it will die out. Interesting that its not been treated like fox hunting - nor is it apparently a target for the anti groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Sorry for going off topic OP. Islandgun - If you can, read the Lords of the Bow series of novels by Conn Iggulden, fictional, obviously, but based around know fact. I have always had a thing about the Mongols and how they had the largest ever land empire. I understood the mongols squeezed the heart they are a very interesting people, i have come to the conclusion that it is hypocritical of me to disagree with the faroee's? practice however I still disagree, I can see a herd of red deer and feel privileged then I think how well one would fit in my freezer, I will choose my best sheep for the freezer and help with the slaughter, geese and rabbits follow, Fishing is my business, To be close to a large whale in a small boat is the most awe inspiring thing I have seen and I personally would not kill one, I'm a hypocrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I wouldn't partake personally but i guess I would liken it to fox hunting or driven game/boar. It's a centuries old tradition, it's not harming the local population (studies into it have proved) and it is regulated. They only use a certain type of blunt hook for pulling them up the beach and then their spinal cord is cut. Apparently most deaths are within seconds longest 30 seconds. I'm sure there are pheasants shot that don't die in that time. In my opinion is its s tradition and if people over there enjoy it it should continue. Not nice being one of the dolphins awaiting dispatch though. They used to hunt pilot whales however they have high levels of toxins in their blubber absorbed over many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Aye i was quite surprised by the horses too, not entirely sure wot breed but definately a small hairy type breed, possibly iclandic? I take it the horses must be more hardy than cattle? but will be a very short growing season, i was in faroes in mid may and grass was still yellow and hadn't even started to think about growing up there, quite a few farms back home (sw scotland) will be finished there first cut by mid may the agriculture seemed quite similar to iceland which also had very few cows/cattle. Think milk is quite scarce on the islands. Like u say fishing is a main industry, think they have a few long line boats atleast the boys i was drinking with all seemed to be on the long lines. Really interesting to hear of other farming systems and way of life, do they export fish and seafood to Denmark, they must have thin soil not to have grass in May. surprised the main domestic animal isn't sheep but like you say they have some. perhaps we should export some soay sheep they can exist on seaweed, I'll have to have a read about the Faroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNS Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 They depend on the sea for their living they can't pop to the shops for a steak. Not much different to the Inuits. ********. Defend it as a tradition by all means, but it is catagorically not a primary source of food or income for the Faroese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Sorry for going off topic OP. Islandgun - If you can, read the Lords of the Bow series of novels by Conn Iggulden, fictional, obviously, but based around know fact. I have always had a thing about the Mongols and how they had the largest ever land empire. Stupidly havn't worked out multi quotes yet, of course i can read . Thanks i will look out the books, The mongols are amazing an empire that stretched from the steps to germany on horse back , i understand their method of slaughter is to make an incision and squeeze the heart, they also bleed animals and drink the blood, very sustainable not seeing that at Tescos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I don't agree with it is my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Near all the information provided in that troll post is incorrect and by the way its written I'd say its been put together by the japanese as a smoke screen. If you do a google search you'll find the truth... The dolphins being fished/hunted (not slaughtered, mutelated or any other sensationist tripe) are not endangered, the species has been incorrectly reported for shock and awe effect. The dolphins do not bleed to death, they are killed a with single blow to the back of the head that severes the spinal chord resulting in instant death. The dolphins are fished for food not as some sort of young mans passage into manhood. Its not even Denmark! The islands have their own parliment. That is just a few true facts. When you take out and correct all the dramatic sensationalist tripe geared to promote shock and disgust there really isnt a story. They are not over fished and its done for food... its a simple hunter and hunted situation. In the scheme of life a dolphin is no more sacred than any other sentient life form. I dont have a problem with it. To put this into perspective, many thousands of dolphins and seals are killed around our coasts every year by the fishing industry, normally by being caught in a net and drowned while struggling for freedom and their lives... and they go to waste, simply thrown back as over catch... In my eyes thats far worse. Edited January 24, 2014 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Near all the information provided in that troll post is incorrect and by the way its written I'd say its been put together by the japanese as a smoke screen. If you do a google search you'll find the truth... The dolphins being fished/hunted (not slaughtered, mutelated or any other sensationist tripe) are not endangered, the species has been incorrectly reported for shock and awe effect. The dolphins do not bleed to death, they are killed a with single blow to the back of the head that severes the spinal chord resulting in instant death. The dolphins are fished for food not as some sort of young mans passage into manhood. Its not even Denmark! The islands have their own parliment. That is just a few true facts. When you take out and correct all the dramatic sensationalist tripe geared to promote shock and disgust there really isnt a story. They are not over fished and its done for food... its a simple hunter and hunted situation. In the scheme of life a dolphin is no more sacred than any other sentient life form. I dont have a problem with it. To put this into perspective, many thousands of dolphins and seals are killed around our coasts every year by the fishing industry, normally by being caught in a net and drowned while struggling for freedom and their lives... and they go to waste, simply thrown back as over catch... In my eyes thats far worse. I didn't read the troll post and think most of the people on here are more than capable of making up their own minds without it. I'm also not interested in your "facts" that you gleaned from the internet, however if you said that you have been to the hunt, been to the Faroes, been up close to a dolphin, or even seen a dolphin I would be very happy to listen to your opinion. I don't think the good people of the Faroes need dolphin meat, Quote (Thousands of dolphins die each year around our coast), if this was the case they would quickly become extinct. some die in gill nets this is an unfortunate accident, with the fishing industry trying new techniques to avoid it. I have never seen a dolphin caught in any net. but again you probably have a vast experience of the fishing industry. You seemed concerned about this accidental catch but happy with a hunt, the outcome is the same less dolphins, how can this be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I didn't read the troll post and think most of the people on here are more than capable of making up their own minds without it. I'm also not interested in your "facts" that you gleaned from the internet, however if you said that you have been to the hunt, been to the Faroes, been up close to a dolphin, or even seen a dolphin I would be very happy to listen to your opinion. I don't think the good people of the Faroes need dolphin meat, Quote (Thousands of dolphins die each year around our coast), if this was the case they would quickly become extinct. some die in gill nets this is an unfortunate accident, with the fishing industry trying new techniques to avoid it. I have never seen a dolphin caught in any net. but again you probably have a vast experience of the fishing industry. You seemed concerned about this accidental catch but happy with a hunt, the outcome is the same less dolphins, how can this be good facts are facts tho mate like it or not and dolphins do get caught in nets iv seen it on sky wildlife programs but not in person Edited January 24, 2014 by martyn2233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I didn't read the troll post and think most of the people on here are more than capable of making up their own minds without it. I'm also not interested in your "facts" that you gleaned from the internet, however if you said that you have been to the hunt, been to the Faroes, been up close to a dolphin, or even seen a dolphin I would be very happy to listen to your opinion. I don't think the good people of the Faroes need dolphin meat, Quote (Thousands of dolphins die each year around our coast), if this was the case they would quickly become extinct. some die in gill nets this is an unfortunate accident, with the fishing industry trying new techniques to avoid it. I have never seen a dolphin caught in any net. but again you probably have a vast experience of the fishing industry. You seemed concerned about this accidental catch but happy with a hunt, the outcome is the same less dolphins, how can this be good Thats not worth responding too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 facts are facts tho mate like it or not and dolphins do get caught in nets iv seen it on sky wildlife programs but not in person totally agree mate, globally an untold number die in so called wall of death drift nets mostly to do with the tuna fishery along with sharks and turtles and diving sea birds I believe there are pressures to ban it, As far as I know this fishing method isn't used here, hence my comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I'll sit out of this any inhumane despatch in any form and on any living creature disgusts me!! Edited January 24, 2014 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I'll sit out of this any inhumane despatch in any form and on any living creature disgusts me!! It's inhumane is it? In the RSPCA's opinion? Not a huge surprise there, they don't like foxes getting shot. In your opinion? Ok, you're entitled to that. I do hope you don't shoot anything live though, let alone God forbid, p r i c k a bird or beast, plenty would see that as inhumane. Doesn't seem to be worrying the Danes too much, or come to that most of Europe. I see lots of animal cruelty activists getting all het up, but not a lot of response from any official body. Edied as the swear filter doesn't like P R I C K, understandable but the word has plenty of acceptable uses. Edited January 24, 2014 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Well i dont shoot driven game so the moral high ground is quiet dry thanks and if you read the first paragraph it says its done to mark adulthood. They eat as a second result. I dont shoot driven game either but dont much care for your stance. Remember, united we stand, divided we fall........... Have lost one part of my hobby (pistol shooting) thanks to the rest of the shooting community not being affected and therefore not bothered. Edited January 24, 2014 by spanj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Well i dont shoot driven game so the moral high ground is quiet dry thanks and if you read the first paragraph it says its done to mark adulthood. They eat as a second result. Do you shoot live at all? If so your ground is getting wetter. Please don't try and tell me you shoot just because you like rabbit/pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 It's inhumane is it? In the RSPCA's opinion? Not a huge surprise there, they don't foxes getting shot. In your opinion? Ok, you're entitled to that. I do hope you don't shoot anything live though, let alone God forbid, ***** a bird or beast, plenty would see that as inhumane. Doesn't seem to be worrying the Danes too much, or come to that most of Europe. I see lots of animal cruelty activists getting all het up, but not a lot of response from any official body. whooop whooop keyboard warriors alert I have been drawn into your petty debates before mongrel and as a result been sent to p/w jail, I have grown up since and will not get drawn into drivel so if this is ok I will bow out of this this debate kind sir as I feel I am the bigger man no doubt you will reply with a torrade of one liners and childish comments but to be honest I pity you if you agree with the Subject in hand .. Atb sir delburt0.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 No worse than halal slaughter and we let that carry on over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 This thread will be allowed to run UNLESS it degenerates into petty squabling and name calling Whether you agree or disagree with it (or any form of shooting/hunting) is a personal opinion, Nobody should be vilified for having such an opinion, I have watched a few documentaries on what goes on in the faroes and have my own opinions, which I will keep to myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 No worse than halal slaughter and we let that carry on over here. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 whooop whooop keyboard warriors alert I have been drawn into your petty debates before mongrel and as a result been sent to p/w jail, I have grown up since and will not get drawn into drivel so if this is ok I will bow out of this this debate kind sir as I feel I am the bigger man no doubt you will reply with a torrade of one liners and childish comments but to be honest I pity you if you agree with the Subject in hand .. Atb sir delburt0.... If you don't want to debate, why bother to post? As far as I can see there's nothing in my post that should get you in trouble, so long as you are big enough to avoid the name calling and just debate the points. By the way, keyboard warrior goes under the heading of name calling and I've been here plenty long enough to have outgrown that tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 There is a lot off things that happen abroad or even in this country that i don't agree with or understand but i just don't let it bother me as either none of my business or nowt i can do about it. Bottom line is if u shoot live animals esp with a shotgun (but also with a rifle) it is very hard to lecture anyone about humane dispatch, yes we try to minimise it but unfortunately just 1 of those things It's not something i would want to do or see but as i've said as long s population can stand it don't see it as being a big problem. Wot is more inhumane hitting a beeched whale (yes they have been beached on purpose) over head and severing it's spine resulting in a fairly quick death and using almost all of the whale as food, oil etc OR having umpteen folk disturb/stress it by pouring buckets of water over it for days on end until it eventually dies a slow and agonising death, even the few they eventually get to sea usually return on next tide. Probably natures way of providing a banquet out of a large dying animal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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