izzypop Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Not been on hear for some time ! Anyone reloading 17 hornet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Quite sure fister is, may be he'll look in over the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) Yep. In an ackley version. 20 gr bullets at 3600 or a tad over. Moderated through just a SAK. Rick Edited March 1, 2014 by casts_by_fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Yep. In an ackley version. 20 gr bullets at 3600 or a tad over. Moderated through just a SAK. Rick What do you think to it and do you do foxes with it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 i love the cartridge for what I use it for. Mine is an encore with an 18" barrel, so super short and light, but plenty of barrel for bullet speed. It moderates with a SAK so cheap and easy. I use mine for an all purpose walking or driving around gun, mostly shooting rabbits, hares, birds on the ground, etc. I don't do dedicated fox work as other guys on the shoot like to do it, but I wouldn't hesitate shooting a fox with it out to 200 yards. It carries more energy at 250 than a HMR at the muzzle. Guys calling fox in the US love it as a fur friendly gun, but I can see what people here wouldn't call it a dedicated fox gun (and I would agree if you only have 1 fox gun). It is a bit specialized of a cartridge, but if what you shoot tends to the smaller end of things then it is a fantastic cartridge. You're more than welcome to have a go with it if you like. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 i love the cartridge for what I use it for. Mine is an encore with an 18" barrel, so super short and light, but plenty of barrel for bullet speed. It moderates with a SAK so cheap and easy. I use mine for an all purpose walking or driving around gun, mostly shooting rabbits, hares, birds on the ground, etc. I don't do dedicated fox work as other guys on the shoot like to do it, but I wouldn't hesitate shooting a fox with it out to 200 yards. It carries more energy at 250 than a HMR at the muzzle. Guys calling fox in the US love it as a fur friendly gun, but I can see what people here wouldn't call it a dedicated fox gun (and I would agree if you only have 1 fox gun). It is a bit specialized of a cartridge, but if what you shoot tends to the smaller end of things then it is a fantastic cartridge. You're more than welcome to have a go with it if you like. thanks rick I have a 243 for windy days or stalking and a 204 which i use quiet alot as a vermin rifle but its getting to the time were its going to need a re-barrel or chop it in for somthing else. I would like to take you up on your offer to have a go with it to see if it would fit in for what i am looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 My write up on the CZ 527 17 Hornet will be appearing soon FREE TO READ ONLINE at www.targetshooter.co.uk Free dose that mean i dont have to pay il drop you a text some time this week iv have a little job for you but you will need your with ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I have a 243 for windy days or stalking and a 204 which i use quiet alot as a vermin rifle but its getting to the time were its going to need a re-barrel or chop it in for somthing else. I would like to take you up on your offer to have a go with it to see if it would fit in for what i am looking for Drop me a PM. My wife is going to be traveling starting from sunday for a week and a half, so my weeknights and the following weekend (15th i think) are free. We can sort something out. If you have a 243 for the bulk of your work, then the 17 could be a nice addition. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pestcontrol1 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Only a true Yorkshireman has to clarify to what extent FREE is free:-) not that am tight or out but i do find it hard to open that black thing in mi back pocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Yep. In an ackley version. 20 gr bullets at 3600 or a tad over. Moderated through just a SAK. Rick +1 on that. Had mine (17AH) about 4 years but I dont rate 17AH as a fox rifle using 20gr bullets, going to try some 25s this summer which should improve things. Yes I have killed foxes with it out to 150 yards but even then I thought it needs a follow up, by the time I got another one in it had expired. Head shots at say 60 yards are no problem but I have lost 2 foxes with it, one ( 200 yards, so really far to far but we were loosing lambs) ) I found a week or so later 100 yards away, hit very low in the front chest, the other (120 yards) went into some rape never to be seen again. Not ideal. Almost all those shots have been front on bib shots or closer head shots, odd how that works out, maybe thats the issue. For crows etc as others have said its ideal, but if you predominantly want a fox caliber then I would recommend a 204 or 22 caliber. A Edited March 4, 2014 by Alycidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I have a 243 for windy days or stalking and a 204 which i use quiet alot as a vermin rifle but its getting to the time were its going to need a re-barrel or chop it in for somthing else. I would like to take you up on your offer to have a go with it to see if it would fit in for what i am looking for If you check out what the .204 ruger and .243 win can do at up to 300 yds with a range of bullets they are fairly close together in all things but energy. as neither is particularly suited to shooting smaller game for the pot I suggest you might be correct to put more distance between the two guns by perhaps going smaller/ quieter at the bottom end or even stepping up in calibre with the .243. Just something I looked at personally when the .20 ruger was launched +1 on that. Had mine (17AH) about 4 years but I dont rate 17AH as a fox rifle using 20gr bullets, going to try some 25s this summer which should improve things. Yes I have killed foxes with it out to 150 yards but even then I thought it needs a follow up, by the time I got another one in it had expired. Head shots at say 60 yards are no problem but I have lost 2 foxes with it, one ( 200 yards, so really far to far but we were loosing lambs) ) I found a week or so later 100 yards away, hit very low in the front chest, the other (120 yards) went into some rape never to be seen again. Not ideal. Almost all those shots have been front on bib shots or closer head shots, odd how that works out, maybe thats the issue. For crows etc as others have said its ideal, but if you predominantly want a fox caliber then I would recommend a 204 or 22 caliber. A Its good to see such an honest / experianced appraisal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I have shot both 204 and 243 for some years now and know where they shoot out to alot further than alot of people would shoot and i have impressed a few folk making shots at range or in strong winds but i like them both for what i use them for but still stuck with the dedicated nv rifle. 1) Do i stick with the 204 just make into a dedicated nv ( at the min its this one as its a point and pull upto 300 yrds ) 2) Do i go smaller 17 H - 17AH 3) do i go 22 H which i have shot not that long ago and i am sat on the fence with it an the min maybe poor ammo wrong bullet weight i dont know as i dint make them but i was"t all that impressed with it But it is nice to have a new rifle in the cabinet to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The only time that I needed a second shot with the Tikka 223, the magazine feed jammed. It was hard hit and fortunately the dog found it 50 yards away, dead, in a hedge the following morning. Shortly after this the farmer did away with the free range chickens and the pressure was off so as I could now pick my shots at shorter range, I swapped it for the 22H and because of the jam, single shot. Eject the fired case and slip in a live one - quick and the second shot is guaranteed. If you reload you just have to accept that you've probably lost that ejected case. With no restriction on magazine COL, just chamber, I use 50gr Hornady SPSX at 2770 ft/sec MV. Provided you don't shoot too much past the 200 yard mark - it's still + 350ft/lbs at 250 yards - the result is clinical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I have shot both 204 and 243 for some years now and know where they shoot out to alot further than alot of people would shoot and i have impressed a few folk making shots at range or in strong winds but i like them both for what i use them for but still stuck with the dedicated nv rifle. 1) Do i stick with the 204 just make into a dedicated nv ( at the min its this one as its a point and pull upto 300 yrds ) 2) Do i go smaller 17 H - 17AH 3) do i go 22 H which i have shot not that long ago and i am sat on the fence with it an the min maybe poor ammo wrong bullet weight i dont know as i dint make them but i was"t all that impressed with it But it is nice to have a new rifle in the cabinet to use Do you honestly need the legs of the .20 Ruger on a NV rig? I think a lot of hornet issues go back to poorly cut chambers and poor ammo / worn out mistreated dogs of guns picked up cheap. In all honesty its a 200 yard fox gun if the wind isn't tricky and you have the skill / set up of rifle /ammo to do it. The advantage is it is very much easier to quieten down than a gun burning twice the powder and works better as an everything up to and including fox gun. Zero at 130 and you stay on a bunnies head to 150-160 ish without too high a peak trajectory (depending on rig and ammo) and 2 moa low at 200 using a hand loaded 40-45 grn pill. Easy and cheap to hand load at that. Another thing I intend to look into in future is in theory you can radically shorten a hornet, interesting with a moderated NV gun in mind. Could make a very well balanced gun that's easy to use from the confines of a truck or hidey hole. I also keep a .243 win but find it goes out less and less foxing, preferring the lighter and quieter Hornet if its not too windy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I'd be really interested to hear how accurate the .17H is with it spacing off the rim. Also, if getting a .17 cf then why not just go straight to the .17 Rem? Its not going to be that much more expensive to run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I'd be really interested to hear how accurate the .17H is with it spacing off the rim. Also, if getting a .17 cf then why not just go straight to the .17 Rem? Its not going to be that much more expensive to run? Like the K hornet it has a shoulder so" in part" at least it headspaces there, the go and no go are certainly likely to be made that way?. The std .22 which only rim headspaces is just fine If given proper ammo and chambered by a manufacturer who plays real attention to tolerances in this regards during production. Very confident in a good .22 Hornet fed good ammo in making sub MOA out to 200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Like the K hornet it has a shoulder so" in part" at least it headspaces there, the go and no go are certainly likely to be made that way?. The std .22 which only rim headspaces is just fine If given proper ammo and chambered by a manufacturer who plays real attention to tolerances in this regards during production. Very confident in a good .22 Hornet fed good ammo in making sub MOA out to 200 I headspace on the shoulder. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzypop Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I headspace on the shoulder. Rick I headspace on the shoulder. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzypop Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 17 hornet reloading,had my 17 hornet a few months now got my reloads sorted fantastic round very accurate half inch 150 yrds.best crow 296yrds.11.8grns powder so cheep to reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soother223 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Same as izzypop. Great round done plenty if crows out to 250 with ease. It just shoots so accurately so easily! Quiet too.a must have cal for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 I have'nt done any vermin shooting with mine yet, just target and zeroing my scope. Hoping to get a few long range Corvid's soon. A very accurate caliber that certainly packs a punch despite it's small size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) 17 hornet reloading,had my 17 hornet a few months now got my reloads sorted fantastic round very accurate half inch 150 yrds.best crow 296yrds.11.8grns powder so cheep to reload. Better take that to Bisley and shoot it at 100BR every second Sunday on Short Siberia, Not many rifles do that especially not factory ones. Mine was re tubed from a new 22H to 17AH by one of the countries leading custom builders. it certainly wont do what yours will. Mind there is only a low power 3 x9 x 36 scope on it, odeal for vermin but not to hot for 100 yard target work. Be interested in the load, bullet and distance off or in the lands. As a fox caliber I would advise anyone to opt for a 20 cal minimum irrespective of distance. 20 Vartarg is a remarkable little round and ideal for short range foxes, more legs, then 204. Tac 20 or Prac 20 or of course 222/223. A Edited May 30, 2014 by Alycidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 25gr bullets are the way forward in the .17 if shooting foxes. Be warned though that the 25gr V-Max doesn't fit in a CZ mag. They were fantastic in the Ackley however as that is usually single loaded. I've had a couple of foxes that looked like they could do with a second shot when using the 20gr factory ammo, but they certainly weren't going far. I still can't decide whether I like the .22 or .17 better. Both are vary good rounds for shooters who don't always want to shoot big boomers. The .22 is better for larger quarry, but the .17 shoots so flat and fast that it's hard to beat for birds and rabbits. I use mine like most use a HMR. For purely foxing I pick up something larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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