Kes Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 But you are allowed to use a gun or other deadly force to defend yourself. Even so, most people would see this as a man who had exceeded all reasonable or unreasonable morality, he is on trial after all. Is there any way you would shoot your girlfriend through a locked door, if you had been in bed with her? Having no idea where she was but knowing we all go to the loo? Also, why lock the door if you are with a bloke who has fathered your child, come on ! SA doesnt stretch credibility that far I suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I bet this is absolved on a technicality. He is guilty as sin, but will get off with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Shooting your defenceless girlfriend is hardly defending yourself. You are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself in the UK as well. I don't disagree - but that is what the court needs to determine. His argument is he thought it was a burglar. I was merely trying to show how attitudes and reactions to crime in SA are different to the UK. Using deadly force here in the UK is theoretically allowed, but not condoned nor explicitly defined in law - you can be sure you will be treated as a criminal if you do. Had a Skype chat with a friend in SA this evening. His opinion is as mine is - basically Pistorius is guilty - but not of a premeditated murder. This burglar story is bull. He lost his cool, shot into the bathroom knowing she was there but did not intend to kill her, rather just to scare the **** out of her. So IMHO guilty culpable homicide. Doesn't let him off though - still a jail sentence, but nothing like murder. The prosecution will have to determine if he killed intentionally for murder, or negligently for culpable homicide. We'll have to see what other evidence comes up, and how it is argued in court though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 In my view he intended to kill her - he lost his, albeit limited, sense of reality and will suffer the full consequence of that - the judge seems to be nobody's fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 This post is pointless how the hell can we say when the trill has only just begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 This post is pointless how the hell can we say when the trill has only just begun. We're allowed to have initial thoughts though, aren't we? there was enough coverage when it actually happened. A lot of the details have been common knowledge for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 This post is pointless how the hell can we say when the trill has only just begun. what has the trial got to do with budgie,s :whistling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 This post is pointless how the hell can we say when the trill has only just begun. So why are you commenting on it then?lol What Trill bud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I bet this is absolved on a technicality. He is guilty as sin, but will get off with it. If you are correct that would leave the S.A. Justice System as a laughing stock!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Apparently he was massively jealous of her friendship with her Ex and rugby player Francois Hougaard. i think hes guilty, he also had a really bad temper and they often had massive arguments...but that doesnt mean hes guilty tho. but in reality i think he will get away with it....theres a 6 series program on youtube called special task force 1 which is about the crimes that happen in south africa and how the police deal with them..full on shootouts, bank jobs, kidnapping... the lot, well worth a watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Another shot through the soft top roof of a former girlfriends car as well. screams and a shot, discharged a gun in a restaurant, anybodies guess Edited March 6, 2014 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 According to his friend, Pistorious pistol went off in a Restaurant and he asked his mate to take the blame for it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 There were some good programmes about this on C5 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think some crucial evidence will be the forensic analysis of the bathroom door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) guilty send him down, the mans a nutter Edited March 6, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think some crucial evidence will be the forensic analysis of the bathroom door. Lots of possibilities spring to mind but I cant see innocence being proved with the evidence from the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 to be honest if i thought i was being burgled and had to get a gun the 1st thing i would do is find where in the house my gf was so i could protect her/ give her a gun. not shoot threw the bathroom door at an unknown target when not knowing where my gf was, he's either insane or guilty has to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I watched a tv program that showed the bullet holes were at the top of the door pointing down towards the sink and toilet, they said that would be difficult to do having no legs, so they think he put his prosthetic limbs on first ..... Raising the question about why he said he panicked rolled out of bed and blind fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I saw that too. I watched a tv program that showed the bullet holes were at the top of the door pointing down towards the sink and toilet, they said that would be difficult to do having no legs, so they think he put his prosthetic limbs on first ..... Raising the question about why he said he panicked rolled out of bed and blind fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 he may still grease a few palms and get a not guilty he should get some tips from OJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Didn't she also have a suspicious head wound? Or bruising or somthing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I can't remember, I saw it last year. Didn't she also have a suspicious head wound? Or bruising or somthing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) to be honest if i thought i was being burgled and had to get a gun the 1st thing i would do is find where in the house my gf was so i could protect her/ give her a gun. not shoot threw the bathroom door at an unknown target when not knowing where my gf was, he's either insane or guilty has to be That's what we would like to think we would do - but when it comes to the crunch, in a very stressful situation, anything could happen - including common sense going out the door. To put it in perspective - South Africa has a population of roughly 50m - and about 15000 muders per year (it has come down - was close to 20000 at one point). UK has a population of 65m - and far less than 1000 murders a year. South Africa is the rape capital of the world too. Hell, even the president, Jacob Zuma, was on trial for rape. It is almost a national passtime. Not saying he's innocent (I think he's guilty), but in a country where it is not uncommon for an intruder to either murder, torture, or rape you or your family, shoot first, ask questions later is a common response. People get very jittery about security and crime. Some may think i'm exaggerating - but I lived there for 12 years. I personally know people who have gone through this kind of stuff. Edited March 6, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 He shouldn't be let loose with a blunt spoon never mind a gun. Negligent discharge in a restraunt and a girlfriends car. Nut job. I think he has chased her when arguing/fighting and she has shut herself in the bathroom, then he has shot her through the door. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Having been to SA and know a fair few people down there, they will most certainly shoot first and ask questions later. Yes they all live within high wired enclosures with armed guards but that doesnt stop bad **** happening. One chap had his dog killed followed by them trying to kill his wife (kill first then rob the place), he shot two of them before the others scarpered. Its a different world to mollycoddled UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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