overandunder2012 Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 not sure why anybody expects to see wreckage, the plane that was flown into the side of the pentagon vaporised and left no trace whatsoever so by that logic its perfecty feesable that this one did the same many would say it wasnt a plane that hit the pentagon and to be honest there wasnt much evidence to suggest it was. but mh370 may have a simpler explanation if the box is found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Flight data recorder will say where it went and when but not the why. Cockpit voice recorder may have the last two hours of all sounds in the cockpit only. However, it can be deactivated and might contain nothing. This is designed so that after an incident it can be stopped so that you are left with the relevant information and not just two hours of the engineers trying to assess faults and rectify damage. I believe the one fitted to a 777 is a continuous loop of the last two hours. So, if the 'driver' was unconscious or uncommunicative it is not going to tell the investigators much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 You can deduce a fair bit from raw data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Just as well chaps with a bit of packing between their ears are actively looking at this, had SOME forum members had any input into the search would by now be over and done with as due to their shotgun certificate giving them total expertise in underwater acoustics, ocean currents and drift,along with pilot psychology, the root cause would have been analysed as a conspiratorial collusion between aliens, lizards, and Rothschild, who apparently is both alien and lizard, and sole benefactor. KW Edited April 7, 2014 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Just as well chaps with a bit of packing between their ears are actively looking at this, had SOME forum members had any input into the search would by now be over and done with as due to their shotgun certificate giving them total expertise in underwater acoustics, ocean currents and drift,along with pilot psychology, the root cause would have been analysed as a conspiratorial collusion between aliens, lizards, and Rothschild, who apparently is both alien and lizard, and sole benefactor. KW you know it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I'd hate to think what the search has cost so far, wouldn't be surprised if new legislation was brought in to lengthen black box battery life and may be record more cabin audio data! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I'd hate to think what the search has cost so far, wouldn't be surprised if new legislation was brought in to lengthen black box battery life and may be record more cabin audio data! Or contain a radioactive cell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 I'd hate to think what the search has cost so far, wouldn't be surprised if new legislation was brought in to lengthen black box battery life and may be record more cabin audio data! For any of the armed forces involved this is routine anti-submarine warfare training but in this instance, with a purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 many would say it wasnt a plane that hit the pentagon and to be honest there wasnt much evidence to suggest it was. but mh370 may have a simpler explanation if the box is found You mean they may have fibbed about it? An expert also said that there weren't any calls from passengers on mh370 because you couldn't get a signal that high up............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 You mean they may have fibbed about it? An expert also said that there weren't any calls from passengers on mh370 because you couldn't get a signal that high up............... You can't get a signal with no base stations over water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 You mean they may have fibbed about it? An expert also said that there weren't any calls from passengers on mh370 because you couldn't get a signal that high up............... i mean it was totally wrong no wreckage no impact crater no ctv the hole in the wall far to small. on the pentagon i would have to say its really sus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petethegeek Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 I'd hate to think what the search has cost so far... There's quite an interesting article on the BBC news website today which looks at this particular aspect - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26927822 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 Looks like if this search goes right on to recovery of black boxes and possibly aircraft components it will be telephone numbers. Interesting article petethegeek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 Just head for deigo Garcia and get it back from there. Second hangar on the left, key is under the mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 Just head for deigo Garcia and get it back from there. Second hangar on the left, key is under the mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Australians now seem confident they are looking in the right area for the black boxes. Now depends if they can get an accurate fix on the pings before the batteries run out. Still no positive ID on any wreckage. The drama continues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 This pictogram gives a good idea of how far down in the ocean the plane probably is: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 That puts everything into perspective very well. Gonna be a hell of a job - If they find it. Thanks Aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Certainly not impossible. Seeing as how there is absolutely no debris found yet, i'm guessing somehow this thing sunk pretty much intact? If so, maybe all they really need to get is the black box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think they're all still alive in there. Sealed, airtight and pressurised - no debris so no break in fuselage. They are chuffing on the overhead air masks and eating little packets of peanuts to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Reminds me of this old made-for-tv film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_Awaits Goliath Awaits is a 1981 American television movie originally broadcast in two parts in November 1981 on various stations as a part of Operation Prime Time's syndicated programming. It is about a luxury passenger ship sunk by a torpedo fired by a German U-boat in 1939 that is discovered in 1981 with over 300 survivors and their descendants living in an air bubble in the wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Reminds me of this old made-for-tv film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_Awaits I'm pretty sure I've met some of those survivors in Cornwall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think that it was being flown by the pilots with intent to crash it into something,china/north Korea???it was shot down.It's funny how the first signals of the black box were discovered by a Chinesse vessal,maybe they dropped it in the ocean where nothing would be found,and no debris??? there would be some. I think that it was being flown by the pilots with intent to crash it into something,china/north Korea???it was shot down.It's funny how the first signals of the black box were discovered by a Chinesse vessal,maybe they dropped it in the ocean where nothing would be found,and no debris??? there would be some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think that it was being flown by the pilots with intent to crash it into something,china/north Korea???it was shot down.It's funny how the first signals of the black box were discovered by a Chinesse vessal,maybe they dropped it in the ocean where nothing would be found,and no debris??? there would be some. So how did the Chinese/ North Koreans manage to coax it to a far off place where none of the worlds radars would pick up any signs of it ? Oh and what would be the pilots motive incidentally ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Hamster, be cool,I'm just saying.from what I have read lots of things don't add up.if a plane switches off its locator,a plane can disappear off radar.whatever happened, all comms were switched off and plane changed direction/ blew up at the exact point it falls off one radar before its gets picked up again.how did it fly for so long( the engines were still communicating with roles Royce for a further.number of hours) why didn't passengers make phone calls, as business men someone would of had a sat phone? If it sank that far away they would have got a message out.why long after it would have run out of fuel did passengers phone apparently still ring?if it was passenger terrorists then how did they take over and stop all calls, I don't think 2 false passport holders could manage that.So how did it get that far without a message being sent? If terrorists why no claim to be responsible? I think the pilot decided to make a statement,maybe political? Anti China/ North Korea and attempted a 9/11 incident.it could have been shot down and then a cover up. The black box recovered and placed as I said.remember that they have only been searching the ocean,it could be on land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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