Old farrier Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 It isn't working like that anymore, new FAC only have a buy limit (or was it hold) seems I'm getting old, can't remember, (someone please confirm which) mine is still old style FAC but my lads has just been renewed and is new style! Sorry mine says buy and hold but due for renewal soon so things have changed again Bet they change the forms aswell All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 The old Winchester .22 subs white box were 38 grain the newer ones blue box were 40 grain the latest are 42 grain Please read the box before use ,I noticed this yesterday on an advert in the shooting press clearly says 42 grain on the box That's over 10% more weight on the old ones Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) The wording on new style certs is: Maximum quantity authorised to be possessed at any one time. List Calibre Quantity Edited April 30, 2014 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiltshirekeeper Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Have a look at fiocchi 40gn hp subs £8.00 for 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiltshirekeeper Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Looking for ammo /powder/primers etc get down dauntsy guns in wiltshire they have stacks and stacks of ammo went down into there ammo store the other day to pick my ammo over 1,500 22-250 and up to 50,000+ 22lr thats just what i see where i was ln a tiny part of it.ppu,winchester,norma,sako,remington its all in there. Powder wise 150-200 tubs of all sorts. a 30ftx20ft room full of rifle and shotgun ammo I have never seen so much in 20+years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Just tried the following brands in a new .22 - RWS, Winchester, Geko, Remington, Fiocci, CCI - and of all of them the Winchesters (black box) were the worst performing AND looked nasty. Rough finish and inconsistent shape/marks on them. Compare them to an RWS for example and there seems to be a big difference in manufacturing and that surely must affect their comparative flights. The CCI's didn't look that great either...and we're the next worst in my gun. RWS and Remi's came out best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 The wording on new style certs is: Maximum quantity authorised to be possessed at any one time. List Calibre Quantity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Sorry mine says buy and hold but due for renewal soon so things have changed again Bet they change the forms aswell All the best Of Yes, they have changed the forms as well....at least round here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 The new forms are national now I believe, I have just renewed and that was the word from BASC. Its an easier system and there is no more ammo counting each renewal or variation you just comply with the max amount. As regards Winchester subs, the old white box stuff shot ok for me it was only at extended ranges around 100 yards that the Lapua (that became sk) consistently and plainly out did them. I tried a box of the new black box ones last summer and they shot very well at 100 so I figured I might as well economise and get a full brick. It didn't work out I had light strikes and failure to eject (all down to general inconsistencies and likely out of spec rim thickness) after trying about 25 I took them back to the shop. Malmo Guns in Lancaster gave me a more expensive box of my usual SK in one for one exchange for my bother and travel. The question was asked about my gun but at every new brick it gets a full service, cycled the first given box great and shot them fine and has munched through large amounts of different .22 ammo over the years without a single complaint ever- not a one! I think this points to rushed manufacture and sourcing of new raw material suppliers in this time of world ammo shortages. Harder brass alloys etc.? If your not bothered for hollow points Green Tag target ammo from CCI shoots very, very well in most guns BTW and moderates just fine up here. Target ammo takes less wind in practice I find. Just another option to think of if your stuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 This is mine and I got it wrong earlier Anyway bound to change All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I was out yesterday to zero my 22lr at 100yds.I use winchester subsonic and have noticed that they are not as consistent as they used to be.I did zero at 50yds first and they are fairly accurate but i was getting an odd stray bullet. At 100yds the bullets were not placed on the target as consistently as i would have liked so have left the zero at 50yds.. I have also noticed a small number of bullet heads from the batch i am currently using that were slightly loose in the brass. The width of the bullet heads must vary a little as well as some do not chamber as easily as others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I was out yesterday to zero my 22lr at 100yds.I use winchester subsonic and have noticed that they are not as consistent as they used to be.I did zero at 50yds first and they are fairly accurate but i was getting an odd stray bullet. At 100yds the bullets were not placed on the target as consistently as i would have liked so have left the zero at 50yds.. I have also noticed a small number of bullet heads from the batch i am currently using that were slightly loose in the brass. The width of the bullet heads must vary a little as well as some do not chamber as easily as others. I think 100 a bit far for a zero on a .22 lr, am I reading that correct? you would have one heck of a peak trajectory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I think 100 a bit far for a zero on a .22 lr, am I reading that correct? you would have one heck of a peak trajectory I think 100yds a bit far for a zero on a 22lr as well.I got a 6 inch drop at 100yds using the zero from 50 yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 The old Winchester .22 subs white box were 38 grain the newer ones blue box were 40 grain the latest are 42 grain Please read the box before use ,I noticed this yesterday on an advert in the shooting press clearly says 42 grain on the box That's over 10% more weight on the old ones Deershooter No Deershooter, actually I think we can read what's on the box we are talking about these.......well I think most of us are Old: New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) No Deershooter, actually I think we can read what's on the box we are talking about these.......well I think most of us are Old: New If you wish to correct me please make sure you have the latest information It clearly says 42 grain not quite so funny now you look a plonker Deershooter Edited May 1, 2014 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Although I have read about the 42Max I have neither shot them or seen any for sale (I was under the impression they had yet to reach the UK),so whether they will be better or worse than the 40gr remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Although I have read about the 42Max I have neither shot them or seen any for sale (I was under the impression they had yet to reach the UK),so whether they will be better or worse than the 40gr remains to be seen. Yeah going by the website there gonna run side by side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 If you wish to correct me please make sure you have the latest information It clearly says 42 grain not quite so funny now you look a plonker Deershooter And where on this thread does it say we are comparing the 42grain MAX with the blue box 40grains? Telling people to "read the box" is a little patronising, and using insulting comments because you have made a mistake is playground behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Get a life adding laughing smilies is not playground behaviour then Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Get a life adding laughing smilies is not playground behaviour then Deershooter Forgetting any change in boxes the 42g is a relatively new introduction and a different product, 40g are still the usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 All I was doing was trying to give a reason for the drop in elevation Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Deershooter, this thread was trogging along nicely with some useful shared info and findings......then you came along just to cause trouble. You can carry on disrupting the thread as much as you wish. You are just making yourself look more ridiculous by the minute For the rest of the contributors, I have sent an email to Winchester explaining some of our findings and concerns. I won't hold my breath, but if I get a reply, I will pop it on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hi Thanks for your efforts turbo 33 I would be very interested in any reply from Winchester as they wer my favourite round Thanks again for your efforts All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Can we keep this on track and not drag it down to petty squabbles please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 "I have sent an email to Winchester explaining some of our findings and concerns. I won't hold my breath, but if I get a reply, I will pop it on here :good:" Appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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