lack of resources???????

[apbuild]

Thursday morning I went out to go to work to find some plonker had punched out the drivers quarter light window on my van and nicked my satellite navigation that was stuck to the windscreen. It was wrenched out with such force that the charger, that was still plugged into the cigarette lighter had been ripped apart!

 

Now before I get the usual, 'should have taken it out of the vehicle', ****, it was the first time in months I have forgotten to do so because I have so much going around in my head at the moment, personally and at work.

 

As is required for the insurance to repair the window, I informed the police using the non-emergency number. They took all of the details I had and gave me a crime number. They also offered me the chance to talk to a counsellor, because I had been a victim of crime. What a load of ********!

 

Yesterday, I became privvy to the information that a local rogue, who regularly deals in stolen goods and is renowned for soft drugs, was trying to sell on a system that matched mine exactly so I straight away phoned the police with this information at 5pm, giving them a name and address. 'Many thanks', said the operator, 'I will pass this information to the relevant person and it should not take us long to investigate further. Will you be contactable this evening?' To which I replied, 'Yes!'

 

at 11.30pm I spoke to the police again and was informed, 'Sorry but we cannot do anything about this as we do not have the resources!'

 

What a farce. I do all of the detective work for them and they are unable to visit and check this guy out. I bet his place is full of peoples possesions.

 

Why exactly do I pay so much council tax every year for service like this. I feel that all I get for my council tax is the benefit of a big blue lorry coming once a week to pick up my rubbish!

 

You can guess by now that I am well ****** off!

 

Have lost £200 worth of sat-nav and had to stump up £70 for the repair job, (or the excess on my insurance).

 

Joke!

[Graham M]

Why not let them know how you feel-

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/

G.M.

[OldBill]

Fantastic. What proof do you have? If I happened to hear from some unconfirmed source that your claim was in fact fraudulent (in theory- not accusing!) would you want me to pull you in for questioning? I suspect the answer is no. It's called a fishing trip and the old bill aren't allowed to do it. If only it were that easy

 

Good luck with getting it sorted tho.

[apbuild]

Fantastic. What proof do you have? If I happened to hear from some unconfirmed source that your claim was in fact fraudulent (in theory- not accusing!) would you want me to pull you in for questioning? I suspect the answer is no. It's called a fishing trip and the old bill aren't allowed to do it. If only it were that easy

 

Good luck with getting it sorted tho.

 

The whole family are renowned for dealing in stolen property and drugs!

 

If this was to be a 'fishing trip', as you put it, then the keepnet would be bloody well full at the end of it.

 

15.05 and I still haven't heard a thing from the old bill.

[Deako]

ap,

 

I know its **** mate, but you really do need an awful lot of HARD eveidence before you can boot someones door in and execute a warrant.

 

The Police are just as frustrated as you are at trying to fight crime with both hands tied behind their backs...just one of the reasons I left in September after 16 years in the job, and since then two good mates have jacked as well...there really are NO resources, just ever dwindling numbers of bobbies with more work than they can realistically handle.

 

[Pedro]

 

They're leaving in droves, loads of my mates are off to Aus

 

P.

[apbuild]

Have had a call to go in at 9.00am tomorrow to give a statement.

 

My sister is in the force and now I know why she feel down and depressed all of the time.

[SNAKEBITE]

Fantastic. What proof do you have? If I happened to hear from some unconfirmed source that your claim was in fact fraudulent (in theory- not accusing!) would you want me to pull you in for questioning? I suspect the answer is no. It's called a fishing trip and the old bill aren't allowed to do it. If only it were that easy

 

Good luck with getting it sorted tho.

 

That excuse is bobbins and you know it. I take it you are "old bill" by name and nature, in which case you are part of the problem. I am sick and tired of you and your cronies coming up with crass excuses as to why you can't help the public when you sit around on your fat butts doing nothing. You should be bending over backwards trying to help the public not seeing us an inconvienience.

If you feel as though red tape is holding you back from doing your job properly then leave the force. Or is your pension keeping you in? That or the possibility of retiring at 40 with stress or a bad back!

[sussex lad]

That excuse is bobbins and you know it. I take it you are "old bill" by name and nature, in which case you are part of the problem. I am sick and tired of you and your cronies coming up with crass excuses as to why you can't help the public when you sit around on your fat butts doing nothing. You should be bending over backwards trying to help the public not seeing us an inconvienience.

If you feel as though red tape is holding you back from doing your job properly then leave the force. Or is your pension keeping you in? That or the possibility of retiring at 40 with stress or a bad back!

 

I think you sowing a little wide there Snakey just because you have had a bad experience with the Police does not mean they are all useless donut eating wasters.

My best m8 is a officer and has been since leaving the RAF he refuses to climb the ladder as he prefers to spend his time catching bad guys !

To date he as spent 12 days in hospital after being rammed of the road by a drunken chav, had his jaw broken ,numerous concousions , slashed with a knife and shoot at and all this for not lot over £25000 :

I wouldn't bloody do it for that sort of money no way

 

If you think you could do better why don't you sign up and show us the way it should be done then.

[SNAKEBITE]

I couldn't do any better so I don't do it and so don't whine about it.

 

Infact I have had a few bad experiences with the police, all as a "victim" as such. Ironically the only time I can praise the police is the way they dealt with me after I foolishly kicked the blokes windscreen in after he ran me off the road.

I am still waiting to hear from them after being knocked off my bike on 11th November. That's just the latest fiasco.

[Mungler]

So, the Sat Nav is missing in action...

 

Two words.

 

"Chuck Norris"

 

Do you want his mobile number? He will get your Sat Nav back for you.

 

 

Seriously, slags want putting in a sack and beating.

[apbuild]

So, the Sat Nav is missing in action...

 

Two words.

 

"Chuck Norris"

 

Do you want his mobile number? He will get your Sat Nav back for you.

 

 

Seriously, slags want putting in a sack and beating.

 

Mungler, have you been on the budweiser all afternoon mate?? LOL.

[OldBill]

Fantastic. What proof do you have? If I happened to hear from some unconfirmed source that your claim was in fact fraudulent (in theory- not accusing!) would you want me to pull you in for questioning? I suspect the answer is no. It's called a fishing trip and the old bill aren't allowed to do it. If only it were that easy

 

Good luck with getting it sorted tho.

 

That excuse is bobbins and you know it. I take it you are "old bill" by name and nature, in which case you are part of the problem. I am sick and tired of you and your cronies coming up with crass excuses as to why you can't help the public when you sit around on your fat butts doing nothing. You should be bending over backwards trying to help the public not seeing us an inconvienience.

If you feel as though red tape is holding you back from doing your job properly then leave the force. Or is your pension keeping you in? That or the possibility of retiring at 40 with stress or a bad back!

 

Thanks for the critique Richard Cranium.

[SNAKEBITE]

Thanks for the critique Richard Cranium.

 

Thanks for finaly taking an intrest in someting, now if you could only apply that to catching criminals we are laughing.

 

Come along now chop chop.

[henry d]

Keep it friendly ladies...........

[SNAKEBITE]

I am being friendly, honest.

Sometimes the truth hurts though and it is easier not to admit that.

 

Let's start a poll, "Who thinks the police do a decent job?" see what the punters think, or maybe it's just me who thinks like this.

[Dr W]

I think the ordinary bobby does do a good job, the fault doesn't lie with them it lies higher up the chain.

 

If procedures aren't followed to the letter then the case would get thrown out of court, the scum would get off free and the tax payer would have wasted thousands on the court case.

 

Yes I agree saying we haven't got the resources isn't the best excuse but 2nd info that they might have your property isn't going to stand up and there's no way they'd get a warrant.

 

If it wasn't illegal I'd turn up in a transit with some mates and pull him the street and then ask for my stuff back ever so politely but since this will end up with you in more trouble than the scum it's not worth it.

[Cranfield]

That excuse is bobbins and you know it. I take it you are "old bill" by name and nature, in which case you are part of the problem. I am sick and tired of you and your cronies coming up with crass excuses as to why you can't help the public when you sit around on your fat butts doing nothing. You should be bending over backwards trying to help the public not seeing us an inconvienience.

If you feel as though red tape is holding you back from doing your job properly then leave the force. Or is your pension keeping you in? That or the possibility of retiring at 40 with stress or a bad back!

 

A very unfair attack on an individual that you don't even know.

 

Most of the police I do know and others I have had dealings with, are very efficient in their jobs, within the constraints placed upon them.

I despair when people seem to be under the illusion that the police can do anything they want.

Life ain't like that.

 

By all means criticise a system, or their political masters, but blaming one individual and accusing them of being "part of the problem", is ridiculous.

 

Nobody goes around blaming doctors and nurses for the state of the Health Service and poor quality treatment in hospitals.

I can't see their is any difference.

[Nildes]

I've been the victim of crime seven times in the last fifteen years.

On six of those occasions no one has ever been caught and charged.

On the seventh, the man was caught, released on bail and was out burglarising again whilst the scenes of crime officer was still dusting my place for fingerperints.

I'm sure the police are trying to do a good job. I think they're too tied up with rules to succeed.

Bogged down in red tape and performance statistics.

Don't look to them for help. Good fences make for good neighbours as do good solid doors, windows and locks all round and a decent dog.

[rjimmer]

My sister is in the force and now I know why she feel down and depressed all of the time.

 

 

I ran into an ex-neighbour yesterday. He's still in the police(constable), might stay on after his 30 years service, on £39,000 per annum, if he takes £82,000 out, his pension is reduced to half-pay, NOT DEPRESSED AT ALL!

[SNAKEBITE]

I concede the fact that not every police officer is useless.

I also apolagise if this was seen as a personal attack, it wasn't. It was aimed at the attitude(s) of the police officers that I have dealt with. In all cases I have not gone in with the wrong attitude but have been as helpful and informative as I could. In every case I have been treated as an inconvienience. One time when I was hit by a drunk driver the police took a statement and were very sympathetic etc etc, then it looked as though I was going to have to attend court as a witness (I forget the exact reason given) the officer came round again went over everthing again a I said that anything I could do then just let me know. He said he was going to be in touch. A period of time went by and I heard nothing so I rang the officer to ask what the situation was, he replied "Sorry mate you'll to read the local paper like everyone else" and put the phone down. Nothing else at all just those 11 words.

I won't go on about the fact that I had to make an official complaint about how the car accident I was in last March was reported, needless to say that a witness "magically" appeared and that they couldn't understand why his details were not passed on 8 months earlier.

 

I know the police are shakled by the cretins in the government but the attitude of some officers leaves something to be desired. They might be hacked off with the job but don't take it out on the people they are meant to be helping. After all if it really is that bad why not leave the force?

 

Fantastic. What proof do you have? If I happened to hear from some unconfirmed source that your claim was in fact fraudulent (in theory- not accusing!) would you want me to pull you in for questioning? I suspect the answer is no. It's called a fishing trip and the old bill aren't allowed to do it. If only it were that easy

 

Good luck with getting it sorted tho.

 

Can I also add that the way I interpreted this post was "we are the police what do you know about catching criminals?" I found it rather patronising. This was basically the cause of me venting my spleen and if I did misread it then I apolagise.

[JJaxeman]

I concede the fact that not every police officer is useless.

I also apolagise if this was seen as a personal attack, it wasn't. It was aimed at the attitude(s) of the police officers that I have dealt with. In all cases I have not gone in with the wrong attitude but have been as helpful and informative as I could. In every case I have been treated as an inconvienience. One time when I was hit by a drunk driver the police took a statement and were very sympathetic etc etc, then it looked as though I was going to have to attend court as a witness (I forget the exact reason given) the officer came round again went over everthing again a I said that anything I could do then just let me know. He said he was going to be in touch. A period of time went by and I heard nothing so I rang the officer to ask what the situation was, he replied "Sorry mate you'll to read the local paper like everyone else" and put the phone down. Nothing else at all just those 11 words.

I won't go on about the fact that I had to make an official complaint about how the car accident I was in last March was reported, needless to say that a witness "magically" appeared and that they couldn't understand why his details were not passed on 8 months earlier.

 

I know the police are shakled by the cretins in the government but the attitude of some officers leaves something to be desired. They might be hacked off with the job but don't take it out on the people they are meant to be helping. After all if it really is that bad why not leave the force?

 

I think you need to take a chill pill Snakey. In my experience that I have had with the Police they have done all they possibly can, and that is all anyone can ask. And as far as "After all if it really is that bad why not leave the force?" If police officer's were to leave the force because of the bad days I doubt we would have much of a police force left what with all the hassell they get from Goverment officials and then to top it all off from the very people they are trying to help US.

[pin]

The police force in this country has long since become a political instrument wielded by the politicians with the purpose of "reducing" crime.

 

To me this seems to be an exercise in statistical manipulation than any "effort" to actually tackle the root of the problem.

 

Take mobile phone crime, the only reason you have adverts on the telly almost constantly is because phone theft is almost always never detected, simply goes down as a crime which has not been dealt with. This was skewing the figures badly, more recorded crime with little chance of detection, so there is a massive ongoing campaign to raise awareness and try and stem the flood of phone thefts lest they hurt the numbers.

 

The way crimes are being dealt with has also massively changed, you are more likely to get a FWIN than a crime number, again to do with crimes considered "undetectable". Like most burglaries where no suspect has been seen or street robberies with no description. These crimes don't count to the "adjusted" figures and it is this kind of nonsense we are expected to swallow as "being tough on crime".

 

I don't blame the plod on the street, he's got both hands tied behind his back, he's dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. Graduate "fast track" managers senior officers with no experience of policing on the street combined with "target " driven culture in which only results matter and there is no support or backup for the guy/girl on the street who has to make the numbers.

 

Only going to get worse

[OldBill]

From the postings on here, there appears to be a fair few old bill on here (currently serving and ex) and I think most will agree, it's not red tape holding us back it's the Law itself. Problem is most people in day to day life don't see the problems with it until someone needs dealing with and then get frustrated when the old bill can't do anything. Rightly or wrongly the Law is stacked heavily AGAINST the police when dealing with criminals.

 

Wages: A top whack constable earns £32k after 10 years. Old bill pay **11 %** of their pre tax salary on their pension. Bear in mind that if the old bill get in wrong they can end up in jail- not many professions can say that. My working work (it does vary) can be 63 hours without a stroke of overtime to the least amount of hours being 54.

 

This isn't a whinge up, I'm laying out the facts as they are. Me personally, I would like nothing better than to go out and lift thieving toe rags left right and centre but we do need PROOF, no mtter how much common sense it mkes that Joe Bloggs was the person responsible for this that and the other.

 

Before we all complain that it's the politians fault that the law is the way it is, well yes but who voted them in?

 

Am I defensive about my job and role- YES. I work shifts 24/7/365 doing a job that not many would or can do. Everyone I work with do their very best, and for people who have no concept whatsoever of policing to fire from the hip is not on.

 

At the end of the day if you aren't satisfied with UK policing please, please, please lobby your MP for more police powers, staff, resources etc. My policing area covers roughly 300 square miles which is policed by 6-8 uniformed officers during the day and 4 at night. Public service- yeah, easy life!

[Pedro]

Here, here

 

Nobody's mentioned the bloody CPS yet We have to ring them up before charging for certain offences and if the case isn't watertight they'll chuck it out, (unless there's copper involved, in which case they'll go with the flimsiest of evidence!).

 

To be honest, the easy part's nicking the toe rags, it's the hassle afterwards with CPS, appropriate adults, solicitors, interpretors and as has been mentioned - management

 

P.