malkiserow Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) It was suggested by a Mod to post an update......so here goes......... Formal complaint made by me and so a statement given. There is NO doubt that the dog was "out of control in a public place" CCTV recorded and saved to DVD disc. She (the dog owner) has turned on the waterworks to the police and stated that the dog is her only family....... she has no kids. Also something along the lines of "nothing else to live for". I will push this to the sensible maximum for the sake of my own and all the other kids here. Here is the original thread http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/285153-dog-attacked-my-2-year-old-daughter-what-are-my-options/ Jamie from Stratford upon Avon, can I have a chat on the phone please? If anyone else has useful/practical info if you wish to PM me your phone number, I am happy to call back. Edited June 4, 2014 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hi Malk, first of all apologies for missing the original thread. I've been really busy for a few days and not been on PW. I hope you and yours are recovering quickly and that the appropriate action will be taken. If there is anything I can do just give me a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hi Malk, first of all apologies for missing the original thread. I've been really busy for a few days and not been on PW. I hope you and yours are recovering quickly and that the appropriate action will be taken. If there is anything I can do just give me a call. Many thanks Tbird, no need to apologise at all...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRsniper Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hi Malk I agree you must push this to the maximum and also to impress upon the investigating officer that tears are not a good reason to take no further action. I hope your little one is not only recovering but does not carry a fear of dogs through her life, my daughter took a nip ten years ago and they scared her for some time after that. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 good man! its the right and proper thing to do.a dog with an owner like that will only get worse.hope your daughter is getting on alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hi Malk, first of all apologies for missing the original thread. I've been really busy for a few days and not been on PW. I hope you and yours are recovering quickly and that the appropriate action will be taken. If there is anything I can do just give me a call. Same as that fella, by the time I saw the thread it was shut. I wish her a speedy recovery. Hopefully she will not remember it and be dog averse for the rest of her life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Well done for pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 What are you after the dog to be pts or some reassurance it will be kept under control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 What are you after the dog to be pts or some reassurance it will be kept under control? I am informed PTS is not an option even for the court on a first offence unless there was "ragging" involved. This was one bite, I would argue that my fast intervention may have prevented more bites but that is just my opinion as the dog then ran off as I went for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hi Malk, sorry to hear about this, is everyone alright? makes my teeth itch when I hear of some silly bint with a totally inappropriate pet. I had one when I was a kid, a lovely dog and very good natured with people she new, strangers were a problem, she used to try and round them up, especially cyclists, we had a good gate though, anyone who went through it took their chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Under the circumstances rather than having the dog put to sleep (Which has already been stated is not an option) might one acceptable solution be that the dog should be made to attend obedience training classes with it's owner to give the dog a chance to be properly assessed, socialised and trained by a professional dog behaviour trainer/specialist and for the owner to be shown and taught how to become a responsible dog owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 i dont let kids near my dogs its better all round that way for everybody, better safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 If the case gets taken take to court then a dog control order can be put in place so that the owner has conditions placed on her regarding the dog ownership. I suggest that a appropriate one may be 'to keep the dog muzzled when in a public place' Make sure you file for compensation for your daughter with the court although you may get very little. I would have a chat with your local dog warden / dangerous dog (police) officer to get some advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hi Malc, I too missed the earlier thread as I haven't had chance to get on here much in the last few weeks. I hope you daughter recovers from this ASAP and is able to lose her fear of dogs in due course.Edited.Keep us updated on how this pans out, and give your little girl a big hug from the PW massive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 First and foremost hope your daughter is ok bud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuta Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Another option to be considered, should the Police/CPS/Court route result in no joy, is contact your house insurance provider. My wife was bitten in the street, by a dog that had escaped from a nearby house, which after initially attacking our dog, had turned on her. Having promised much at the start, the Police seemed to lose interest & filed it in the 'too difficult' tray, suggesting we take out a private prosecution. The owner, having offered to make amends & settle vets bills etc. effectively stuck two fingers up at us and told us to go whistle...even adding (with a smirk) "claim off of your house insurance" To be fair, he gave me an idea... We sued the owner, claiming damages for harm and suffering caused to the wife and vets bills for the pooch. It was all covered under our insurance, and cost nothing more than two 'phone calls & half an hour filling in a simple form. Their insurer settled straight away with no arguments...for considerably more than the £120 vet bill & the bunch of flowers it would have cost...more than one way to skin a cat! Wish the wee one a speedy recovery & hope you have a satisfactory outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Malk as a serving police officer I can say the advice Jamie gave you on the other thread is spot on. Tell the officer dealing that you want to make a formal complaint and you are willing to go to court and that you don't want a community resolution. That should make the decision for him. A few years ago my mother was walking in the street with her dog and my kids who were 1 and 3 at the time when a dog came out of a house and went for my mums dog. My mother picked it up so the dog, a bull terrier type latched onto her forearm causing quite a bad injury. The owner was prosecuted for having a dog dangerously out of control and the court imposed a fine and a control order was placed on the dog so if it was in a public place it had to be on a lead and muzzled. I would think a similar control order would be ideal in your situation as it would force the owner to control the dog or face further penalty. Glad your daughter is ok. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-UK Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Malk, sorry to read your posts about your Daughter, as a father of 2 girls aged 6 and 11 i can understand how you feel. I hope she make a full recovery both mentally and physically All the best Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How about some perspective, all we have details wise are a young dog and the bite didn't break the skin. It is not an injury other than a shock and mental scarring if you can call it that. The dog possibly isn't used to children which is no excuse but personally the aim I would have would be to make sure the owner was going to stop it happening again. Not a vendetta as though it was a proper bite, it was a collie this is what they are famous for rather than savaging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 I would try for a 'judgement of Solomon' type of outcome. (he suggested a child was bisected so each 'mother' would have half,) I would advise the police (if you can) that you want the dog removed and rehomed. That way the dog survives and if the owner loves it so much she would not be averse to it going somewhere else so long as it lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How about some perspective, all we have details wise are a young dog and the bite didn't break the skin. It is not an injury other than a shock and mental scarring if you can call it that. The dog possibly isn't used to children which is no excuse but personally the aim I would have would be to make sure the owner was going to stop it happening again. Not a vendetta as though it was a proper bite, it was a collie this is what they are famous for rather than savaging My god, I actually agree with you for once. Seems to me someone is only after one solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) For the doubters in what should happen in this case, the question should be; "would you leave this dog alone in a room with your two year child ?" We all know the dog is not to blame, the owners are, but unfortunately the dog has to be dealt with along with the owner. Both can be re trained, but which party would, could you trust? Edited June 5, 2014 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 For the doubters in what should happen in this case, the question should be; "would you leave this dog alone in a room with your two year child ?" We all know the dog is not to blame, the owners are, but unfortunately the dog has to be dealt with along with the owner. Both can be re trained, but which party would, could you trust? As a dog owner i wouldn't leave any dog alone in the room with a 2 year old and as a parent you should supervise all young children with animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 In any debate about dogs there is an inevitable amount of perceptive bias, especially on a forum like this one. There is a flaw in some people's logic, which is a kind of anecdotal fallacy. Sooner or later someone usually pops up and says that whilst the dog in the example did something wrong, their dog would definitely never do it. It bears (some) similarities to the argument that people use along the lines of, "well you can say what you like about smoking, but my Grandad smoked 30 a day and lived till the age of 90…" Of course it's impossible to prove the claim that whilst other dogs might, your own dog wouldn't ever attack somebody. People just feel more comfortable believing that their own dog wouldn't ever do it because it would make them feel intensely uncomfortable living with the thought that the dog might. But it doesn't mean they can prove it, and nobody is going to let them try an experiment where they leave the dog in the room alone with numerous babies and toddlers to test their theory. So what happens is they end up feeling more and more secure in the knowledge that their dog won't ever do it, and then, tragically, (and luckily quite infrequently) their dog goes and does it. I wonder how many people have been killed or badly injured by dogs that the owners "knew" wouldn't do it. It's probably a bit like the number of people who've been shot accidentally by guns that the owners "knew" weren't loaded... "It's not the dog's fault" is also a flawed argument. It might not be the dogs fault that it was born a dog, and that dogs behave in certain way, but apportioning any kind of 'human-like' blame to an animal is a dead-end street, however that doesn't mean that the animal doesn't need to be removed from society permanently, and balls to the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Some posts have been edited and some removed, please keep this thread specifically on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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