any cartridges you want made

[Floating Chamber]

yep, I did not say a wake up call was not overdue we may all then enjoy lower prices. But I think current manufactures/importers only sell to the trade and not end user like you are, but perhaps they should do? But a change like that is unsettling for a gun shop.

 

Such is the power of the internet does a local shop now exist? one click and we can see the price of an item worldwide I am waiting for the day the cartridge has made in china on it

 

You are twenty years late! The Chinese brand 'Jailing' rose and failed within months in the early 1990s! Edited July 25, 2014 by Floating Chamber

[rbrowning2]

to me what George is doing is a great thing,

 

how sick am I that the prices of cartridges are going up, the reason is because lead is going up but when lead falls the prices go up, these manufacturers are taking the wee wee,

 

I don't care what carts I use as long as they are not smaller than 7 1/2,s and now with George,s help I can by a larger diameter shot for a cheaper price,

 

do the shops like it ? well I really don't care what they think,, whats up with them arnt they making enough money from us,, I was told ,where I get my carts from after asking "why are cartridges so dear "

 

their reply was " there is not much markup on cartridges so that's the lowest we can sell them for " well George has proved that's a load of tosh,,,

 

good on him for taking steps to make cartridges for the likes of me and other people for a vastly reduced price and certainly NO reduction in performance,

 

good on you mate,,and thanks for dropping my carts (1,000) off today

 

a very happy customer,

 

will have another order next week

 

atb Evo

 

Evo I partly agree with you prices are not as competitive as they should be it looks like one big trade club over here keeping control of prices.

 

But I think the retailer make very little for all the effort and the manufacture has the majority of profit as gun shops need cartridges.

 

So it is not diffcicult for George to sell cheap and make good money he only has to take away the shops profit lets say £15 per 1000 and the VAT on that so about £18 per 1000 and that is then a good discount and if my local shop is correct he stills has £40 profit.

That is what is unsetling the shop as he said do I want a local gun shop? if not fine but when I next want some hmr ammo find another supplier to sell it to he as I will be gone. He has a point or does he?

(as I found out it get emotional when changes are threatening peoples livelyhood).

Edited July 25, 2014 by rbrowning2

[Zapp]

if nessassary will start a new thread to do it

 

Please dont start any more - post any updates or other information on one of your existing threads.

 

You currently have at least 15 threads you've started in the past 3 weeks relating to your business, making it hard to follow for anyone who is interested in them.

[evo]

I really don't think George will be affecting any gunshops as a whole, to me as the END buyer I want quality at the best price I CAN AFFORD,

 

I agree its the manufacturers who are creating this high price for no reason , so the simple answer is for the shop to stock proper cartridges,,then they have the best of both worlds and they will probably find they will sell more,

 

it is the gunshops choice ,,just stock his carts and all is sorted,

 

atb Evo

 

Please dont start any more - post any updates or other information on one of your existing threads.

 

You currently have at least 15 threads you've started in the past 3 weeks relating to your business, making it hard to follow for anyone who is interested in them.

have to agree cos even I,m getting confused

[propercartridges]

no chaps some of you r taking this the wrong way why I sold some carts to day and delivered as I had a little journey together with 7 people evo was one of them now ask the magic question how do you get a product out there like me well my means of attack is simple get the end user to shoot them but George is in durham he cannot keep running about to chester so mr joe public shoots them and he likes them now on this price of 210 there is a bit of profit in there for the dealer so the main thing is that joe has to go to his shop and say hey these r good can you get them in for me and that's it chaps away we go but its that first initial push that has to get it going now the profit how many shop owners have said the following to you coz at 62 years I have had it today I don't want to have any more carts in stock coz there is enough brands and the euro has brought cheap imports then carts r heavy they r not worth carrying of the lorry not worth the bother I only make a fiver a thousand don't realy want them but I have to or do you know how many brands are out there I cannot possibly have all of those now you come along so you say take them for nowt and pay me later so no risk you r not signing a order you don't owe money like say you have sent a order to the big boys you get it and you owe the money in conclusion I am making carts how do I get you to shoot and buy my carts that's it goodnight and for those who have got sum today give me and others your honest opinion on them thanks george

[propercartridges]

mr zapp moderator do you know I am paying for advertising if not happy can you get mr teal to contact me or phone me nothing personal was not sure if you knew I was paying thank you george

[propercartridges]

just about to go but this is on my mind its simple has anybody got an idea how or if you who reload are doing shops in the uk out of any living or profit when things including primers are been sent over from Italy in the post so in other words a lot of people are not even buying there reloading parts here in the uk your comments please

[evo]

all I can say George is I got given a boxof your 32gram no,5s to try out of a mate,,all I can say mate is they where excellent and certainly a far better cartridge than the ones I have been paying more for,

 

at £210 per 1000 I am one happy customer and will certainly be passing a couple of boxes about to the lads to try, one thing I will guarantee is you will certainly be getting more orders from myself,

 

thanks again Evo

[motty]

all I can say George is I got given a boxof your 32gram no,5s to try out of a mate,,all I can say mate is they where excellent and certainly a far better cartridge than the ones I have been paying more for,

 

at £210 per 1000 I am one happy customer and will certainly be passing a couple of boxes about to the lads to try, one thing I will guarantee is you will certainly be getting more orders from myself,

 

thanks again Evo

How can you be so certain that those cartridges are far superior to the 'other ones', after only trying one box?

[Hamster]

Don't worry about the shops, they have all been saying for years selling shells is a mugs game as there's no profit in them, they'll probably be grateful not having to lift all the boxes for a fiver. I have used the clay version a few years ago and found them to be excellent but lack of local supplies meant shooting other makes.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Looking forward to trying your carts George!

[propercartridges]

Don't worry about the shops, they have all been saying for years selling shells is a mugs game as there's no profit in them, they'll probably be grateful not having to lift all the boxes for a fiver. I have used the clay version a few years ago and found them to be excellent but lack of local supplies meant shooting other makes.

[/qumrote]mr hamster please go to your gunshop tell them about me say you have shot my carts and you like and want them I now have you as a customer and I want to keep you how can I do that?? this is everybody reading is what we r trying to achieve now the gunshop says well I have enough stock so now you and your mates pool together and buy what will cover the price of a pallet can be about40 to50 pounds so you put 10 000 on and they work out about 5 pounds per 1000 so these gunshops you have given them the chance and they come back with various answers what more can you or me do answer that and we have cracked it thanks hamster best regards george

[aris]

George - we still need a menu of what cartridges you can produce - including all fibre varieties.

[propercartridges]

mr

How can you be so certain that those cartridges are far superior to the 'other ones', after only trying one box?

hello mr motty be fore I start is 210 a price you can afford for a good quality cart when you answer that truthfully I can send you to collect some samples near to you in north Norfolk if they are too dear then I am coming soon and will give you some of the 30 gram or my cart called 32gram if you are a regular shooter you know straight away if these r any good any way please let me know thanks george

[propercartridges]

mr aris I have a sweety shop and can make you anything in the standard range as long as it is not daft and unusual right so how many where r u and how do I get them to you speed calibre pressure size of shot wad plastic ir fibre any thing you want to tell me from your side thanks george

[aris]

I'm in Hertfordshire. I may be able to find enough people to do a bulk buy and split it out - but everyone wants something different, so without a menu of what is available, with prices next to them, it will be impossible to get an agreement between buyers.

 

Surely you have a list of what you've done before, and what you sold them for? You have 3 products in your ad on this website, can you give some firm prices for fibre wad? I'm assuming the price is relative to the shot weight, and not the shot size.

[propercartridges]

mr jabb that's what every body says in the gunshops they tie up a lot of money for small return but they miss the magic word turnover get them in and out next please thank you very much I even got told these words yesterday quote I don't want bloody cartridges any bodies heavy no matter what you get they want some thing different continental shot sizes now opturator discs did not know what they were buying so fetched them back now I will send them back coz they did not tell me they had a disc in to supplier I realy don't want carts better putting my money into 2 guns instead of a pallet of carts un quote hey jab where do you get your furniture from doing a Hughie green remember him double your money??? thanks george

[Zapp]

I know you are a trade member, even so starting more threads will probably do more harm than good as the information you want to impart will be all over the place. You would be better off posting in one or two so that people can keep track.

[propercartridges]

mr aris I only for this moment in time want to push the 3 carts on the ad yes I do have others but only odds and ends email me please and I will ask jo to give you a complete list so you may pick and choose and poss get you to 10k to make it worth while for the pallet you see my machine is ment for very large numbers to be kept fed and do 500 000 per 7 day week I want to produce minis not rolls royces I can make just about anything but it has to be in big numbers thanks george

[Old farrier]

I'm in Hertfordshire. I may be able to find enough people to do a bulk buy and split it out - but everyone wants something different, so without a menu of what is available, with prices next to them, it will be impossible to get an agreement between buyers.

 

Surely you have a list of what you've done before, and what you sold them for? You have 3 products in your ad on this website, can you give some firm prices for fibre wad? I'm assuming the price is relative to the shot weight, and not the shot size.

Plus 1

Or just send the prices and delivery cost by PM if you don't want it in lights

Or get a PA that can do it if your busy

 

All the best

Of

[propercartridges]

mr zapp if you read my threads its not me who goes of at a tangent this is for people to ask me to make a cart at a certain price its not my fault I get roped in coz of a upset shopkeeper but I do feel I have to defend my self I cannot leave that unanswered can I ?? if the others start that road how can I reply or it makes me feel beaten thank you george

[motty]

I was told by one shop owner that retailers made 10% from selling shells, so £200 a thousand = £20 in their pockets.

[aris]

mr aris I only for this moment in time want to push the 3 carts on the ad yes I do have others but only odds and ends email me please and I will ask jo to give you a complete list so you may pick and choose and poss get you to 10k to make it worth while for the pallet you see my machine is ment for very large numbers to be kept fed and do 500 000 per 7 day week I want to produce minis not rolls royces I can make just about anything but it has to be in big numbers thanks george

Those are all plastic wad though aren't they? And no mention of shot size.

[rbrowning2]

Some observations

 

Went back to my local gun shop this morning and chatted again he was in a much better mood and said he had a bad day last time.

 

We talked about cartridges and prices he said probably most gun shops stock them to increase footfall as they are consumables and they hope the customer buy something else then or later. He showed me a leading cartridge manufacture price list to look at and below is actual rounded up to the nearest pound what the shop buys and sell 1000 cartridges for.

 

Clay 28gm #7.5 Buy Sell(inc VAT) typical profit

Plastic <15000 £141 >15000 £137 >25000 £134 £179 £12

Fibre <15000 £149 >15000 £144 >25000 £142 £189 £13.50

 

Pigeon 32gm load Buy Sell(inc VAT) typical profit

Plastic <15000 £169 >15000 £164 >25000 £161 £215 £15

Fibre <15000 £172 >15000 £167 >25000 £164 £219 £15.50

 

He said everybody looks online for the price of cartridges so you cannot get more and you outlay a lot of money on stock and carry lines that are very slow to move or move only during the game season. A small profit per sale is ok when you get a lot of sales but sales are down due to the recession and price of cartridges and if the income does not allow you to pay your overheads and live then you have no business.

 

So yes Mr Jabb it is that bad (re post #37) I wonder how they stay in business or will they.

 

George you said us reloaders load only the large shot cartridges/expensive ones and buy are components from Italy well yes we did (or do) but that is because otherwise reloading 12ga for pigeons did not save you any money, may be fun but no savings. In recent years that has improved with more suppliers in the uk selling components at a competitive price (including now you).

 

But you also look to be cherry picking – pigeon and game loads only? preferably in plastic wad when will we see you pushing a clay cartridge with similar bargain prices say £145 plastic wad and £155 fibre?

[Guest cookoff013]

no-one sells products to loose money on them, thats bad business.

as an RFD try going to your bank manager then saying "i`m going to make no profit at all"

 

there is infact a premium on shotsizes 7 - 6.5 + (6,5,4,3,2,1 etc). this is what proper George makes without the premium add on. he produces a value cartridge that has some performance without the premium tags of being "premium game loads.".

it probbly is cheaper for him still to reload 1oz only and just do #6. because in the shell industry its volume is king.

 

infact, volume is so much king that manufacturing a cartridge with limiting demand, actually cost in time, because the loader could be just loading some higer profit / more demand product.

 

regardless of most things shotsize variation is what loaders can do, george has obvously picked up on the premium loads and gone for those that cross over the pigeon / game load.

 

we in the uk have been ripped off for years.how can a 7.5 shotsize cost less than a #6 when they all cost the same per ton. they even try to brainwash us into thinking its more economic for 27grams, 29 grams, 31grams etc when that is nothing, that is no different. its not like its any advantage? saves a kilo every 1000 shells? if i`m buying lead at 3.50 / kg, then the big boys must be buying it at £1.50/kg at least, all that to save 1.50 per 1000 shells? its not even worth thinking about,

 

the other thing is, how can it be cheaper to buy shells imported from italy? transporting shells is expensive. thats got to whack profits. let alone distribution networks.

didnt a shop recently bring in NSI 1oz #5s for exclusive pigeon shooters?? for like £150/k?

given the availability and price, is it still advisable to use 7.5s on game?

 

i gots to admit, if i was to p off the big factorys, the first thing i`d load a 1oz fibre in #6, that should take care of a good 150% of everyday sporting, phes, rabbit, partridge, magpies and whatever.