propercartridges Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 thanks ww will let you know the spec from h and s soon any way my powder is 30 pounds per kilo inc vat am going down to hants in the next day or two can sell you powder in bulk you have account at express you say are you trade or retail?? please e mail me on mail@george-young.fsnet .co.uk if you r trade might want to speak to you about stocking my carts thanks george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 First I've heard of this. I'm guessing this applies to rifle powders too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 well mr zapp quite frankly the track and trace bit which is in now is ok that is between me and the customer so your invoice and id covers you for that the other bit as far as health and safety r concerned is still along the lines of 15 kilos and the vca people at leatherhead in surrey who dish out the appropriate documents say that from their rules nowt has changed but it was suggested by another party that the bulk into containers is another ploy to get more money out of reloaders but as I said from me as a trader in such items I will sell you 15 kilos in the packaging defined by law and the vca at leatherhead out side your local police station so my pennys worth nothing will be changing it may be suggested but not by law at the moment and obviously I have too know this is not the sweety business thanks george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 no answer normaly use pencil and paper this new-fangled thing every body taking mickey maybe best find your own instead of having it dished up finish going shooting instead of sitting here giving free info and having micky taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 So will this new legislation apply to rifle propellants or just shotgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 how on earth are you going to classify somefink as rifle or shotgun? where as there are some crossovers such as .410 powders being used in hornet. i probly wont be affected that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Pass, I'm very new to rifle reloading and know nothing about shotgun reloading, so I was just hoping to get a simple answer as to whether it is likely to affect what I am doing. If it is more complicated than that then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Any links to where this rumour is from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Pass, I'm very new to rifle reloading and know nothing about shotgun reloading, so I was just hoping to get a simple answer as to whether it is likely to affect what I am doing. If it is more complicated than that then fair enough. dont think it will affect anyone, we`ll just have to buy powders in 500g lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Righto, cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Since nearly all except viht is in lb or 500 gram containers i really don't see a problem. Viht have in the past packaged in lb containers so may well do in the future but really we need proper information, not hearsay and conjecture. When many of the current US powders reappear, the price will hike up anyway. No problem selling Varget at £60/lb recently. One of my client wanted another 20 kg tube the other day it was a hell of a lot more in 500g tubes when we worked it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Ive got about 2.5kg of 140 left but once Im through that Id buy a 3.5kg if it worked out cheaper. I do use 140 for all my rifles though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) I always "bulk buy" where I can, just sold off 10Kg of N140 and bought some of Georges S062, soon as he gets more stock I'll have another 10Kg off him. Also bought 10,000 each of large and small rifle and large pistol primers, 500 once fired RWS .308, 500 300aac Blackout and 500 Starline .44mag cases. I stocked up on 3,000 Nosler 168gr Custom Competition bullets in the USA then got another 2,000 from Germany, all a lot cheaper than they are here. A lot of outlay but it means that A. I'm pretty much stocked up for the next 3 to 4 years (so no worries about shortages) and B. much cheaper reloading/shooting Edited August 4, 2014 by phaedra1106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I always "bulk buy" where I can, just sold off 10Kg of N140 and bought some of Georges S062, soon as he gets more stock I'll have another 10Kg off him. Also bought 10,000 each of large and small rifle and large pistol primers, 500 once fired RWS .308, 500 300aac Blackout and 500 Starline .44mag cases. I stocked up on 3,000 Nosler 168gr Custom Competition bullets in the USA then got another 2,000 from Germany, all a lot cheaper than they are here. A lot of outlay but it means that A. I'm pretty much stocked up for the next 3 to 4 years (so no worries about shortages) and B. much cheaper reloading/shooting thats the way to do it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Anybody who is serious about reloading needs to Bulk Buy!! I believe that this rumour is false and put out by the cartridge maunfacturers (George Young excepted) so that they can double the amount of profit when they sell powder. Simple economics and as far as I can see there is no EU legislation yet in place to stop the bulk buying of powder Just my humble thoughts Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I have heard it from at least 2 sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 One of my client wanted another 20 kg tube the other day it was a hell of a lot more in 500g tubes when we worked it out. I trust your client has an explosive store licence and RCA documents as 20kg is above the magic 15kg a non licenced property can store. The 15kg is NEQ and include cartridges etc at the same property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I can't even tell if the words are in the right order? and he makes his living how - by making explosives buyer beware - and is taking on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Anybody who is serious about reloading needs to Bulk Buy!! I believe that this rumour is false and put out by the cartridge maunfacturers (George Young excepted) so that they can double the amount of profit when they sell powder. Simple economics and as far as I can see there is no EU legislation yet in place to stop the bulk buying of powder Just my humble thoughts Graham If it is EU legislation then in will not apply to powders from outside the EU will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Under storage and purchase of Black powder regs you can now, I believe, only buy it in 500g plastic containers? so I wouldn't be surprised if the 'powers that be' didn't want to restrict nitro powder similarily, they dont differentiate between Black and nitro but call it all 'Shooters powder'.....could the introduction of the term 'Shooters powder' be an underhand way of imposing regulations on the sale of nitro powder to homeloaders? Paranoid? maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I trust your client has an explosive store licence and RCA documents as 20kg is above the magic 15kg a non licenced property can store. The 15kg is NEQ and include cartridges etc at the same property. Yes a bit like I won't sell you a shotgun if you can't produce a SGC!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Yes a bit like I won't sell you a shotgun if you can't produce a SGC!!!! SGC what's that last got mine from the post office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 no answer normaly use pencil and paper this new-fangled thing every body taking mickey maybe best find your own instead of having it dished up finish going shooting instead of sitting here giving free info and having micky taken You keep going mate, the bright ones can see straight through it and are most grateful to you, can you lend the rest your pencil and paper? Regards STOTTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Anybody who is serious about reloading needs to Bulk Buy!! I believe that this rumour is false and put out by the cartridge maunfacturers (George Young excepted) so that they can double the amount of profit when they sell powder. Simple economics and as far as I can see there is no EU legislation yet in place to stop the bulk buying of powder Just my humble thoughts Graham absolutely right but how many people sell bulk powder from drums direct to you can you count them then please list their names thanks george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Express are putting fliers out on email to all account holders offering powder in 500 g tins .When asked about a 20 kg barrel from an account holder who spends £30,000 per month with them ,he was told no it's only available in 500g tins and they would not supply 20kg barrel even though the RFD who was asking has a trading standards explosive licence Deershooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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