Axe Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Received by email today: Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website. This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network. It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible. That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further. But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas. One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government. Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue. Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving. But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion. One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses. A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity. Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail. That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further. It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society. I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion. Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided. Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament. We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate. Yours sincerely, Tony Blair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 My mail system dumped it straight into the Spam folder, as it was a multiple mail shot and I had to go look for it. Wish I had left it where it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I dumped mine straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcha Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I can't be bothered to read that, can someone just give me the jist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I can't be bothered to read that, can someone just give me the jist? Thanks for telling me what you want me, as your elected Prime Minister to do, but B) B) I'm going to do what I want......as always. Tone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Makes me laugh, old Tony says he wants people to become more actively involved in politics and the way the Country is governed - so 2 million people tell him to poke his road pricing plans and he simply ignores it all and carries on regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcha Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I can't be bothered to read that, can someone just give me the jist? Thanks for telling me what you want me, as your elected Prime Minister to do, but B) B) I'm going to do what I want......as always. Tone Very nicely put I take it your a fan of Mr. Blair then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I can't be bothered to read that, can someone just give me the jist? Thanks for telling me what you want me, as your elected Prime Minister to do, but B) B) I'm going to do what I want......as always. Tone Totally Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 "despite 1.8 million people objecting I will do as I please, we are ploughing ahead with regional 'pilots' anyway despite the obvious public hatred of the idea. By announcing that nothing will happen for 10 years and that we have not actually made a decision (we have though, it will happen) I hope to appease people and make them worry about it nearer the time when it won't be my fault" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Makes me laugh, old Tony says he wants people to become more actively involved in politics and the way the Country is governed - so 2 million people tell him to poke his road pricing plans and he simply ignores it all and carries on regardless. Yup. Like banning Hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Well I must admit I didn't see that coming................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Now, as far as I can make out, that's the third public demonstration that he's just completely ignored. First one was about 600k people objecting to the bloody stupid hunting ban, second one was the anti war thing (about a million people) and this is 1.8m people saying that his ideas are not what they want. That last one was about 2% of the country's population and there seems to be a trend upwards here. I just hope he gets the drift of things soon, but I doubt he will. I really think politicians have lost touch with who they are supposed to represent - us - and are away in their own little worlds doing what they or whoever else wants to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Thanks for telling me what you want me, as your elected Prime Minister to do, but B) B) I'm going to do what I want......as always. Tone Yep that about sums it up. I was always under the impression that democracy was; ‘government of the people, by the people and for the people’ Perhaps someone should remind Mr Bliar and his chums. Hopefully at the next election! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Problem is its all too late now, he couldn't care less now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 30 MILLION for a 1 mile stretch of road What ever happened to using Labourers from Prisons Sounds like the Highways companies just come up with figures from the top of their heads. All they do is add a Lane and just re-surface the others Widening the M1 M62 and M25 What the hell is wrong with trying to widen the SINGLE LANE antiquated A1 north of Newcastle into a MODERN motorway? OR the A66 which has one of the worst accident records and they STILL won't widen it to Dual While were at it how about the dual carriagway running past the Metrocentre (a HUGE congestion problem)? He could widen that to ease the traffic between Swalwell and the Bowes Incline Anyone else notice a pattern where as the roads down SOUTH seem to be getting favoured where most tourists and of course mr Bliar reside. Roads up my way haven't been updated in a LONG time Sometimes i wonder why the hell i pay road tax full stop as most of the roads here have more craters in them than a spotty teens face OR are we simply paying for the Tarmac to build all these incessent speed humps?? Perhaps if this Tarmac were used to FILL holes rather than make annoying humps the roads would be a pleasure to drive on. I feel sorry for the poor Secretary who had to type that Email out knowing full well the guy is a Lying so and so. Oh and she ALSO needs to get a spell checker as she spelt his NAME wrong It's Bliar NOT blair LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Oi! Blair, You can ignore some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but, you can't igore all of the people, all of the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Unfortunately, it would appear that he can and does. Alas, it's treason to suggest that Guy Fawkes had a bloody good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 The trouble with democracy is: the Government always gets elected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 This is dictatorial democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Listening to radio 4 on the drudge home up the m11 tonight I heard John Reid announcing the new "tougher" measures they are implementing. Boils down to creation of a new offence of passing a firearm to a youngster, lowering of the age to 18 at which the minimum 5 year mandatory sentence for gun crime can be handed down. Interestingly there were no draconian measures in his little speech, and refreshingly he admitted that "Legislation alone" would not solve the problem. Some sense for once, mind any worsening of the trouble and I would expect more control type measures to flow, even when they know they won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 should never have banned the hand gun it never worked, it did for the bad men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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