Can a non SGC holder be in possession of barrels?

[OJW]

If I break my gun and I keep the stock and wooden fore-end with me, can my Mrs then drop me off and then transport the barrels home to put in the safe on her own?

 

She doesn't hold a SCG.

 

Is it legal? As she wouldn't be in possession of a "gun" only barrels.

 

Thanks for any input on this.

 

Edit: The safe is her fathers, she would hand the barrels over to him and he would put them away in his safe. He holds a SGC.

Edited November 2, 2014 by OJW

[Deano 1]

It's questionable whether it's legal for your wife to be in possession of your safe keys.

[Gordon R]

As above. You have the stock and forend - she has the barrels. Where is the action?

[OJW]

Sorry, should have explained that she would be taking them to her house to hand over to her dad who would then put them in his safe. She doesn't have access to my keys or his.

[OJW]

As above. You have the stock and forend - she has the barrels. Where is the action?

So you don't think there would be an issue?

[HDAV]

Legal IMO as long as fil has keys, question is why?

[Essex Keeper]

I'm going with no

 

Best to phone your fao

[The Juicer]

Check the legal definition of what a firearm is.

[CharlieT]

A certificate only required for the shotgun itself, not for its component parts

[JJsDad]

Rather than accept peoples personal interpretations of the law, I suggest you have a read of the "Home Office Guidlines To the Police" (available off the web);, an extract below would appear to contradict some of the wisdom already given you !

Please note, this extract is from a now outdated version I have saved on my computer; there is a 2014 version on the web. But I doubt they have relaxed this earlier statement on parts.

13.69 Component parts of firearms are also

subject to certificate control, and may be

authorised if a shooter needs replacement

or interchangeable parts. Spare cylinders for

muzzle-loading revolvers are not used in

national target shooting disciplines and should

not normally be authorised. It should be

noted, however, that some cased sets, both

antique and modern reproductions, will

contain a spare cylinder, or cylinders, and

these may be properly included on certificate

for both possession and use.

13.70 The term “component part” may be

held to include (i) the barrel, chamber,

cylinder, (ii) frame, body or receiver, (iii)

breech, block, bolt or other mechanism for

containing the charge at the rear of the

chamber (iv), any other part of the firearm

upon which the pressure caused by firing the

weapon impinges directly. Magazines, sights

and furniture are not considered component

parts. The 9th Report of the Firearms

Consultative Committee provides additional

information on this subject.

Edited November 2, 2014 by JJsDad

[Gordon R]

+1

[HDAV]

 

Rather than accept peoples personal interpretations of the law, I suggest you have a read of the "Home Office Guidlines To the Police" (available off the web);, an extract below would appear to contradict some of the wisdom already given you !

13.69 Component parts of firearms are also

subject to certificate control,

 

I do not believe this applies to Section 2.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363016/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_v10_-_Oct_2014.pdf

 

2.11 For the purposes only of sections 3(1) and 45(2) of the 1968 Act, and in the definition of

‘firearms dealer’ in section 57(4), the term ‘shotgun’ also includes any component part of

a shotgun and any accessory to a shotgun designed or adapted to diminish the noise or

flash caused by firing the gun. For the purposes of all other sections/Acts, a component

part of a shotgun is not a shotgun (see section 57(1) of the 1968 Act).

Edited November 2, 2014 by HDAV

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Surely it would be easier and legal to give your wife the forend to take to her Fathers.

[BlaserF3]

 

Rather than accept peoples personal interpretations of the law, I suggest you have a read of the "Home Office Guidlines To the Police" (available off the web);, an extract below would appear to contradict some of the wisdom already given you !

Please note, this extract is from a now outdated version I have saved on my computer; there is a 2014 version on the web. But I doubt they have relaxed this earlier statement on parts.

13.69 Component parts of firearms are also

subject to certificate control, and may be

authorised if a shooter needs replacement

or interchangeable parts. Spare cylinders for

muzzle-loading revolvers are not used in

national target shooting disciplines and should

not normally be authorised. It should be

noted, however, that some cased sets, both

antique and modern reproductions, will

contain a spare cylinder, or cylinders, and

these may be properly included on certificate

for both possession and use.

13.70 The term “component part” may be

held to include (i) the barrel, chamber,

cylinder, (ii) frame, body or receiver, (iii)

breech, block, bolt or other mechanism for

containing the charge at the rear of the

chamber (iv), any other part of the firearm

upon which the pressure caused by firing the

weapon impinges directly. Magazines, sights

and furniture are not considered component

parts. The 9th Report of the Firearms

Consultative Committee provides additional

information on this subject.

 

 

This only applies to rifled barrels, shotgun barrels do not have to be entered on your sgc despite what your feo or anyone else tells you.

 

We have had this question asked before and I'm amazed by the duff information given on here.

[evo]

totally legal for her,,

 

don't listen to the hype ,, as long as she doesn,t have the whole gun then its fine

 

this has been mentioned in a topic before and those saying it was illegal had to eat humble pie,,including an RFD on here

 

atb Evo

 

This only applies to rifled barrels, shotgun barrels do not have to be entered on your sgc despite what your feo or anyone else tells you.

 

We have had this question asked before and I'm amazed by the duff information given on here.

correct sir 100%

[Gordon R]

I, for one, stand corrected.

[Steppenwolf]

As others have said perfectly legal as long as she doesn't have the whole gun. I wouldn't want her to get stopped by the police, there would be some explaining to do.

[Pastiebap]

I would strongly recommend looking at the legal definitions in the relevant firearms order/act, failing that contact your shooting organisation or your local FEO, i'm not much help with this as only familiar with defiitions in NI.

Well meaning people on the internet wont be there if things go pear shaped.

[Rst1990]

If anyone can go into a gunshop and buy just a set of barrels then no problem, but if you have to produce your certificate then no.

[Andy H]

Chapter 13 para 76 of the home office guidance to the police 2014 state's "Spare shotgun barrels are not subject to certificate control except for dealer's."

[OJW]

Spoken to FAO and he said it would be illegal for her to be in control of part of the gun. Only way around it would be if she got a licence. Thanks for all the help.

[Will Poon]

Who's to know,,,, for frig sake.

[CharlieT]

Who's to know,,,, for frig sake.

 

Obviously not his FEO !!

 

Considering there is primary legislation freely available for all and sundry to read on the matter, I find it unbelievable that a firearms officer can make such a bold statement.

[HDAV]

Would love to where the nugget of information was gathered from

[malkiserow]

Spoken to FAO and he said it would be illegal for her to be in control of part of the gun. Only way around it would be if she got a licence. Thanks for all the help.

 

Did you ring BASC? Or similar......