fruitloop Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 're the last post, what you won't see is that the gun is pointing to the side of his head, you'll notice lots of police are trained to carry them like then when safe. By safe I mean uncocked with no round chambered. U can see that if u pay attention and notice he is looking at something else in his other hand. Perspective is important in a picture. 're an Nd, one is too many however I have seen many in the forces and even more on civil ranges and especially the clay grounds, clearly everyone here is perfect and far better trained than anyone else,I remember being trained when I got my sgc, oh wait no i wasn't trained oh well let's not let that get in the way. Simply put we don't know enough to comment on the circumstances and until we don't I won't comment further, I'm sure some no one on here know all the facts, probably before before they happened. also the same force that has been band from every club in the county for some reason?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Didn't know that and not defending them, an nd is an nd and none are acceptable however I would like a few more facts before casting assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Didn't know that and not defending them, an nd is an nd and none are acceptable however I would like a few more facts before casting assumptions. What more information do you need. ? Are you not contradicting yourself, you say no N/Ds are acceptable but add you need more information. A seven-year-old girl was injured when a police officer accidentally fired a gun in front of a group of children. 're the last post, what you won't see is that the gun is pointing to the side of his head, you'll notice lots of police are trained to carry them like then when safe. By safe I mean uncocked with no round chambered Police are trained to carry unloaded firearm pointed at their heads if its unloaded. PS. Rule one, You always treat a firearm as if its loaded. Edited November 7, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 're the last post, what you won't see is that the gun is pointing to the side of his head, you'll notice lots of police are trained to carry them like then when safe. By safe I mean uncocked with no round chambered. U can see that if u pay attention and notice he is looking at something else in his other hand. Perspective is important in a picture. 're an Nd, one is too many however I have seen many in the forces and even more on civil ranges and especially the clay grounds, clearly everyone here is perfect and far better trained than anyone else,I remember being trained when I got my sgc, oh wait no i wasn't trained oh well let's not let that get in the way. Simply put we don't know enough to comment on the circumstances and until we don't I won't comment further, I'm sure some no one on here know all the facts, probably before before they happened. Note......to all boys and girls in blue.....Pay attention!! Nothing like being properly trained... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fpolice-officers-waste-600000-of-taxpayers-cash-putting-wrong-fuel-in-cars-despite-talking-fuel-caps-designed-to-warn-them-8889636.html&ei=3i9dVOLTM4LY7Aa13oGICA&usg=AFQjCNG2q6owXXRfdWpx6EATtxpErtVcHQ&sig2=4yEkiDtzLlfTkYevayMudA TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 're the last post, what you won't see is that the gun is pointing to the side of his head, you'll notice lots of police are trained to carry them like then when safe. By safe I mean uncocked with no round chambered. U can see that if u pay attention and notice he is looking at something else in his other hand. Perspective is important in a picture. 're an Nd, one is too many however I have seen many in the forces and even more on civil ranges and especially the clay grounds, clearly everyone here is perfect and far better trained than anyone else,I remember being trained when I got my sgc, oh wait no i wasn't trained oh well let's not let that get in the way. Simply put we don't know enough to comment on the circumstances and until we don't I won't comment further, I'm sure some no one on here know all the facts, probably before before they happened. Breaking strain of a kitkat Didn't know that and not defending them, an nd is an nd and none are acceptable however I would like a few more facts before casting assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull dog Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Note......to all boys and girls in blue.....Pay attention!! Nothing like being properly trained... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fpolice-officers-waste-600000-of-taxpayers-cash-putting-wrong-fuel-in-cars-despite-talking-fuel-caps-designed-to-warn-them-8889636.html&ei=3i9dVOLTM4LY7Aa13oGICA&usg=AFQjCNG2q6owXXRfdWpx6EATtxpErtVcHQ&sig2=4yEkiDtzLlfTkYevayMudA TEH Note......to all boys and girls in blue.....Pay attention!! Nothing like being properly trained... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fpolice-officers-waste-600000-of-taxpayers-cash-putting-wrong-fuel-in-cars-despite-talking-fuel-caps-designed-to-warn-them-8889636.html&ei=3i9dVOLTM4LY7Aa13oGICA&usg=AFQjCNG2q6owXXRfdWpx6EATtxpErtVcHQ&sig2=4yEkiDtzLlfTkYevayMudA LooooooooL TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 We don't know if it was a live round or not. It could well have been a blank, and whether blank or live round, being fired in a perfectly safe manner. I know plenty of people who have been hit by empty shell cases fired by other clay shooters - if the other shooter is shooting DTL or ABT with a semi-auto, then it's pretty likely I would say. Does that mean all those people have N/D for every shot where that happens ? Without a ‘blank-firing-attachment’ fitted to the weapon in question the case would not have been ejected. I know of no such device for a pistol. So I am assuming a live round was discharged and although there may be a multitude of reasons why this happened there can be no excuses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Disgusting, kids in the room there should have been nothing in the gun end of story, if it was a firing demo they should have been far enough back ejected brass would be no where near. If it's an nd with a live round during a show and tell then heads need banging. They were lucky a kid didn't get hit, even by a ricochet. No excuse sounds like they were lucky. Iv worked with kids and guns over the years including full auto and nothing like this has ever come close to happening. Demo / dry training no ammo or brightly colored drill rounds, live firing gun only loaded when safe on range etc. I know people take short cuts, iv seen it in the field, but not with kids. They should have been on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Parapilot can you check your private message when you get a minute spare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) So many assumptions on here jumping on the bandwagon the girl in question has mark under her lip a perfect circle from a spent case a blank Have you a link, there is a big difference in a firearm deliberately being fired as a part of a demonstration . And a N/D as was reported. Phill Matthews, of the Notts Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, claimed proper safety measures had been in place. He said: "All weapons have in-built safety and obviously in this case it did not stop a discharge, but they prevented death or serious injury even if the weapon went off." Does this statement make sense to anyone. Maybe its just me that thinks he is talking gibberish. Edited November 8, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Does this statement make sense to anyone. Maybe its just me. If that quote from Phil Matthews is correct then it is alarmingly worrying. If that was a genuine and official statement it is nothing short of deliberately misinforming the intended audience or it is utter stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) A force spokesman added: 'It happened around 12.15pm on Thursday, October 30 during an escorted visit to Sherwood Lodge by a group of children and parents who were being shown specialist services including dogs, firearms and traffic cars. 'At the end of a brief talk from firearms officers there was an accidental discharge of a police issued firearm into the ground. So the police and spokesman for the police are admitting a firearm was accidentally discharged. And you are saying it was deliberately discharged in a demonstration strange. Edited November 8, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Blank or live the kids should not have been close enough for spent brass to be hitting them!!! Regardless of anything, did they have glasses and ear protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) they have glasses and ear protection? No because she is apparently being tested for hearing damage. If it was a blank then it had to be fired deliberately,as the firearm unless it was blank firing firearm. Would need to be fitted with a blank firing adaptor or it would not have ejected the spent case. Edited November 8, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 The fact that guns and police dogs are around other peoples kids in school is worrying enough in its own right. I thought they were strapped for funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Pistol is news to me as I believed that they used the ‘Glock 17’! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11214404/Girl-seven-injured-as-police-officer-fires-gun-during-prize-winners-visit.html But if true this pistol should be much more difficult to initiate an ND than the ‘Glock 17’ because of its initial first shot trigger operation, if indeed it was a pistol ND which is not clear at this point in time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_P99 Just found this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom Edited November 9, 2014 by STOTTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 sorry, but i have to disagree with you. odd hand gun and sporting guns? not on your nelly. over the last 10 years, with the influx of migrants and criminal gangs the sofistication of weapons has gone up somewhat. take a look at london, even estate gangs are getting hold of automatic pistols and some sub machine guns. the UK police have never been in such a dangerous position, and should in those areas be armed accordingly to be able to protect not only the public but also themselves. arming police with a revolver would potentially cause more problems. granted, there may be less chance of negligent discharge, but how much more training would they need to be able to proficiently use one compared to a glock? quite alot more. unless trained properly, accuracy and speed would be drastically reduced. that in itself could cause more accidental shootings. thats not to mention the time it would take reload in a pressured situation. there is a reason why the police, and even the armed forces, use what they do. . Just a comment: There are two major groups in possession of handguns and SMGs here, the criminals and the armed police. Lawful citizens can't have them. Strange.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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