Paddy Galore! Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 All I am looking for is a 12" chainsaw for domestic use not a 20" as my arms get tired nowadays A 12" chinese might tempt me at the right money Regards Hcc at least have a gander at a tanaka saw harry, they're jap made and pretty good quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guss109 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 All I am looking for is a 12" chainsaw for domestic use not a 20" as my arms get tired nowadays A 12" chinese might tempt me at the right money Regards Hcc Il sell you a stihl ms170 that's hardly been used if you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Il sell you a stihl ms170 that's hardly been used if you want? sending pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 All I am looking for is a 12" chainsaw for domestic use not a 20" as my arms get tired nowadays A 12" chinese might tempt me at the right money Regards Hcc my 20" widow maker has now been turned into a hybrid, I removed that bar and added a 14" husqvana bar, so now it's only half as dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Going to look at a second hand Husqvana today. Hcc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Out of courosity stubby do u know wot size roughly ur engine is? Generally speaking it takes a 70+cc saw to pull a 20" bar and chain. u see saws on ebay all the time with 35-50cc saws with ridiculasly large bars on them. Looks great but if saw has not the power it will just bogg very quickly,when u start cutting timber, far better with just a 13-15" bar and have saw revving/cutting hard all the time If ur just sawing logs/branches cord wood and nothing really big or not dealing with big butts, i'd stick a a 13" bar nice and manoverable and more controlable and less chance of kickback When i was up the woods a 15-18" bar was all u need and that is felling trees upto 4ft at the butt, nae bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) yup, it's a 52cc, the earlier video I posted on this post shows it with the 20" bar it came with, a friend who's work shall remain nameless, gets me bars and chains for free, or at a much reduced price, he got me the 14" bar and chain for my husky, but my husky has the smaller 3/8" cog, seemed a shame to waste it, so fitted it to the import, it does make it a more versatile tool Edited December 12, 2014 by stubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovercoupe Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The machinery auction I go to has at least 5 of these broken for spares each month, its like everything in life you get what you pay for. If you can live with the potential of the saw losing a bolt or breaking and stopping a days work but if you need to get the job done then a good quality saw makes a world of difference. I started with a cheap saw and have progressed and rebuilt many saws. These chinese saws, are they ce rated or brought in on the sly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy69 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 These chinese saws, are they ce rated or brought in on the sly? Brought in on the Sly, not up to standard as they don't have to pass any safety tests about as dangerous as a firearm, would you use a firearm made by someone on the other side of the world without it first being tested.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10992560/Dangerous-chainsaws-seized-at-Dover.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 it's the marmite debate all over again, funnily enough I've just got my husky back, but honestly think the import is better, that post in the telegraph has pointed out a flaw, but as the old saying goes, don't tar everything with the same brush, mine works great, kill switch stops it, brake works great, maybe I was lucky in getting a good one, again, similar to the hatsan debate, most owners got told on here they would blow up in your face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy69 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 At least Hatstands have to be proofed. Although I had a bad experience I know of one other person with one and has had no problem, maybe depends how frequently and how long you use them for. If you are looking for a chain saw with a bigger bar don't think you could go wrong with this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381024887479?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Im tempted to buy one as a back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy69 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Too late they have all sold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Stubby does ur husky sprocket fir ur import saw? Quite surpirsed by that. Bet it is like a different saw now and fair rips throu the wood. Also if u find ur saw struggling with a 3/8's chain u could step down to a narrower 3/16's chain I always try to work with as small a bar as possible, no point in using fuel to cut fresh air and always a chance with a big long bar to accidentally catch something with the tip end and next thing u know its kicked back and sticking out ur head . I actually bought a solo climbing saw prob 10 years ago, it's not brilliant but still starts and runs well and had fair bit of use too A local saw shop has also started stocking them recently There are some fairly decent budget saws out there but i would try to avoid some of the unamed chinese copies esp if not CE stamped, they can be dangerous not point in taking the chance to save 20 or 30 quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesstondriver Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I always try to work with as small a bar as possible, no point in using fuel to cut fresh air and always a chance with a big long bar to accidentally catch something with the tip end and next thing u know its kicked back and sticking out ur head . simply less teeth to sharpen too, a saw can cut twice its length in diameter of tree and some lumberjacks will tell you 2 1/2 times their length, I run a 14" , 18" or 22" I guarantee if I use the 22" ill hit a stone or nail in a tree and have to sharpen it , don't think ill be cutting many 44" trees up for my little wood burner ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovercoupe Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I put a brand new chain on the 32" milling rig last month and got 3 foot down the first log and hit a 4" nail and cried then went and bought a electric sharpener! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't get the have both and prefer the ****** saw. The differences are massive, the ****** ones are heavy and very little effort made to make them comfortable to use. That's before you look at the anti vibration and safety side of things The husky on the other hand just tend to work, the main thing with saws is maintenance look after a decent saw and it will last years and work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 I don't get the have both and prefer the ****** saw. The differences are massive, the ****** ones are heavy and very little effort made to make them comfortable to use. That's before you look at the anti vibration and safety side of things The husky on the other hand just tend to work, the main thing with saws is maintenance look after a decent saw and it will last years and work well. maybe that's because you dont have or use both the import was inspected by a "tree feller" who could not find anything bad to say about it, this has all the safety features, yes they all work, no it's not heavy as already stated, both were given the same level of after care, and the husky has failed miserable, I'm not saying this will work for everyone, but it's my findings with my chainsaws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Everyone here is banging on about branded saws being safer etc, my Stihl 08s has no safety features at all no chain break as they were never fitted back then does that make it a bad saw ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Only if you get a bad kickback and plant it in your face............. Stubby it must be different to the one I've used, fine but very un ergonomic in comparison to my husky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Stubby it must be different to the one I've used, fine but very un ergonomic in comparison to my husky theres probably hundreds of imported copy types out there, and I'm sure that 99% are ****, I must of been lucky with getting the 1% that works well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted December 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Is this one chinese? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/58CC-20-PETROL-CHAINSAW-2-x-CHAINS-FREE-CARRY-CASE-BAR-COVER-TOOL-KIT-/301375992350?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item462b68b21e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Everyone here is banging on about branded saws being safer etc, my Stihl 08s has no safety features at all no chain break as they were never fitted back then does that make it a bad saw ? Just don't understand ur point. Are u seriously trying to compare a saw that must be from the 30 odd years ago to modern saws safety standards?? Would u compre a mark 1 or 2 escort to a modern one in terms of safety features? And more importantly would u choose a modern saw/car thats safety features are 30 yrs out of date?? Esp to save 20-50 quid. No it doesnae make it a bad saw, just bloody dangerous to use, if u go far enough back all saws had thumb operated oiling pumps Chain breaks are essential part of the saw even for normal safe working practices, never mind when it does kick back on u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Is this one chinese? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/58CC-20-PETROL-CHAINSAW-2-x-CHAINS-FREE-CARRY-CASE-BAR-COVER-TOOL-KIT-/301375992350?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item462b68b21e looks like it, my first reason for trying an import, was the fact that I wanted to leave it at my woods, and not knowing how secure it would be, I'd would rather loose £70 than £170 secondly I would be happy if it lasted a year, well 20 months and it's still going strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Just don't understand ur point. Are u seriously trying to compare a saw that must be from the 30 odd years ago to modern saws safety standards?? Would u compre a mark 1 or 2 escort to a modern one in terms of safety features? And more importantly would u choose a modern saw/car thats safety features are 30 yrs out of date?? Esp to save 20-50 quid. No it doesnae make it a bad saw, just bloody dangerous to use, if u go far enough back all saws had thumb operated oiling pumps Chain breaks are essential part of the saw even for normal safe working practices, never mind when it does kick back on u. My point was a saw is only as safe as the person that is using it, my saw hasn't any safety features at all but is still used every week without any accidents. I wouldn't buy a new saw just for the safety features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperGoose75 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I use a stihl 08S..Some would say one of the best series of Saws ever made. It is very powerfully and they dont lay down easy. They are a heavy brute weighing 28lbs. It was my fathers saw and it has cut everything from large beech/oaktrees to hawthorn hedges. The draw back is the lack of safety features. Now like my father was' i would be the rough and ready Country type' Dont use gloves' ear muffs or safety trousers "foolish i know" but i do concentrate on the job in hand and feel in control of the saw when using. However I had the Saw in for a service lately and the Guy in the Shop' although saying it was a mighty Saw' he asked did i use any protective gear when using the Saw.I told him I didnt and he related a story that happened a guy not to long ago.This fellow is a well known Sportsman in Ireland and stands 6.5 ft tall and is built like a tank. His saw kicked back and cut him down the side of the face..Apparently badly.He was very genuine in his advice and showed me a Stihl helmet' and he wasnt trying to make a sale and advised i should look out for a Cheaper version if possible. On his advice i bought a B+Q one at £30. To the OP..i reckon a cheap saw would be ok if you only need it occasionally ' but if you intend to do a far bit of work' then get one or the other of the leading brands. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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