daztheman Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 hi all do you think it,s possible to get a gun off the shelf thats a realy good fit or do they all have to be tweaked in some way. how do you choose. thanks Daz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 If you are experienced enough to know what you're looking for then yes absolutely. It would surprise you how many AAA/AA shots have done no more than change the type of recoil pad and maybe just alter the length and no more (which is doable with the thickness of the pad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 It's possible. I've never tweaked a gun to make it fit - apart from ditching the standard rubber pad in favour of one that doesn't snag on clothing. People who mount a shotgun like a rifle and look dead flat along the rib often have problems with fit because of course, shotguns aren't designed to be shot that way. Also women often need higher combs than most sporters have as standard. If you're a male and reasonably close to average in arm and neck length and don't have high cheek bones or an unusually deep chest then IMO gunfit is unlikely to be of much quantifiable benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Depends entirely on your build. I can shoot with just about any brand of trap gun - straight off the shelf, but not sporters. Bought a Webley and Scott SxS last week - fits like a glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Think here the analogy of suits. Some can get a good fitting suit 'off the peg'. Some just have to either have the shop suits altered - and some can never get anything off the peg which will ever look good. Guns are no different. They may fit well, good enough, need minor alteration or need a complete reorganisation. So the simple answer to your question is 'yes'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 who you listen too can get inside your head. i went to Tim Greenwood,who is a self proclaimed genius to have a adj recoil pad fitted.i mount the gun and he say "there's your problem!" apparentley I needed to "lock" my cheek bones to the comb,literally jam the connection.A year later and my wife buys me a Holland and Holland gin fit for Xmas,I'm there and mount the gun,doing the absolute joint between me cheek and the comb,The H&H gent asks what am i doing? you only rest the cheek on the comb NOT force it on,"there's your problem!" so who is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10gaugewannabee Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 my first gun cost me £100 and i shall use it untill i find some thing better that also better fits, by then i hope to know what does and does not suit me, did not see the point in buying an expensive mistake as a first gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Think here the analogy of suits. Some can get a good fitting suit 'off the peg'. Some just have to either have the shop suits altered - and some can never get anything off the peg which will ever look good. Guns are no different. They may fit well, good enough, need minor alteration or need a complete reorganisation. So the simple answer to your question is 'yes'. That sir is an excellent analogy and don't forget as you change shape the suit will need tweeking so will the gun how much depends on how much you change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 who you listen too can get inside your head. i went to Tim Greenwood,who is a self proclaimed genius to have a adj recoil pad fitted.i mount the gun and he say "there's your problem!" apparentley I needed to "lock" my cheek bones to the comb,literally jam the connection.A year later and my wife buys me a Holland and Holland gin fit for Xmas,I'm there and mount the gun,doing the absolute joint between me cheek and the comb,The H&H gent asks what am i doing? you only rest the cheek on the comb NOT force it on,"there's your problem!" so who is right? Neither, the answer is somewhere in the middle, merely resting it is not conducive to a repeatable sight picture (under various mounting conditions) and it can also have undesirable recoil consequences, locking your head in to the point of almost feeling the pressure robs fluidity and calmness. If you study pictures of great shots such as Digweed you'll notice their cheek is pressed enough to cause a change in normal shape but not with a demented force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'd hazard a guess that at least 75% of us don't have enough knowhow to tell the difference between a gun that fits very well vs a gun that fits acceptably well. IMO a good instructor who knows a bit about gunfit is worth 10 gunfitters who know a bit about shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I'd hazard a guess that at least 75% of us don't have enough knowhow to tell the difference between a gun that fits very well vs a gun that fits acceptably well. IMO a good instructor who knows a bit about gunfit is worth 10 gunfitters who know a bit about shooting! I disagree as all good gunfitter have already been instructors! Gunsmiths that offer advice on gun fit are different but they aren't gunfitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 how do you choose. thanks Daz. There are thousands of guns. From that number make a short list of the ones that you fancy within your budget. If you don't like it, no matter how well it fits you'll never be content. Never rely totally on one a mate has that you like - the one in the shop may be different. Find a RFD with a mirror. Wearing spring/autumn clothing, try mounting any from the stock that you fancy. Does it catch on your clothing or do you have to pull it back into your shoulder with a comfortable grip? No to either, then can you get just 2 or 3 fingers between your hand and face? OK so far? Now stand a couple of yards back from the mirror and mount the gun a couple of times for practice and then again shooting yourself in the 'aiming' eye. Is the eye looking straight down along the barrel and your eyeball sitting on, or slightly above, the barrel? Obviously, trying before you buy especially with a coach is the best option, but failing that possibility, the foregoing is your starter for ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I disagree as all good gunfitter have already been instructors! Gunsmiths that offer advice on gun fit are different but they aren't gunfitters. Great in theory but so far as I know I've only ever come across one such instructor/fitter. And how is a comparative newcomer supposed to know which is which? Retromic's post above illustrates just how easy it is to make a mistake. I stand by my opinion that it's way easier and a lot less risky to find a quality instructor who will advise on basic gunfit and, if needed, nominate an expert gunfitter than the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) I disagree as all good gunfitter have already been instructors! Gunsmiths that offer advice on gun fit are different but they aren't gunfitters.+2There are exceptions but it's probably easier to find the 'competent and experienced instructor who has used their expertise to develop gunfit skills'. Edited February 23, 2015 by seeker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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