Paul223 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Whilst we don't have the full scene it appears the vehicle with the dashcam may have been influencing the situation and the huntsman took the route through the gateway to get away from sabs. He has no wing mirrors and thus if contact with sab did not include hitting his legs he may not have noticed accident. He would be coming through or at least to the gate at an angle and may not have seen both smellies. A good 'brief' would convince police and jury this was possibly an accident. Looks to me like a good result.Accident?Try set up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 the slowmo is edited so you do not see the other nutter push her into the horses path Yes they've cropped the video so you cant see nids pal virtually push her into the side of the horse,it would appear to me that her injuries were received when she hit the floor rather than direct contact with the horse or rider (not that it really matters) I do think he must have been aware of some contact,and he loses his right foot out the stirrup after impact.but still irrelevant. Silly nid ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) I have to laugh with regards to comments about stoppunsg a horse in gallop. Yes simple just use the foot break, oh and for double measures pull on the hand brake too. The difference with cars on the motorway is there is person in the driver's seat with hopefully a brain and conscience. With horse and rider only the rider has the brain coupled with a conscience, the horse has the brain coupled with about 1000 of muscle designed to run and at about 40 mph full pelt and pumped up Try stopping that. Edited March 13, 2015 by Dougy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I read the defensive comments towards the lefty scum and have to wonder if the commenters are on the correct forum? When the lefty scum are not protesting at hunts they are protesting at game shoots, once they have had enough of that they will come for the isolated pigeon shooter. That stupid bint nid did not give a damn about the welfare of the rider or the horse so sod her and all the other work shy tree hugging dope smoking scum that she swaps fleas with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard756 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm a bit ambivalent about this. No you dont run people down with horses but the law has never been an issue for Saboteurs. It is private land and they are trespassing, argueably its more than simple trespass. I think the guy on the horse was trying to make a statement, expecting the people to get out of his way. I dont think there's any intention to injure just frighten. Bad miscalculation and not wise since a horse is rather like a small car at speed. Hope she recovers and stops placing herself and other people in danger whilst breaking the laws of the land !! I am inclined to summarise it by saying - you play with fire .......... I completely agree when will it become an issue that these people are trespassing on private land. I now that the country side is hard to police but if more of these people where prosecuted for trespass and disturbing the peace there would be less of it going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Three words sum this up. serves her right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I read the defensive comments towards the lefty scum and have to wonder if the commenters are on the correct forum? When the lefty scum are not protesting at hunts they are protesting at game shoots, once they have had enough of that they will come for the isolated pigeon shooter. That stupid bint nid did not give a damn about the welfare of the rider or the horse so sod her and all the other work shy tree hugging dope smoking scum that she swaps fleas with. Was thinking the same myself. These ***** play stupid games and guess what prizes they get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 So the moral of the story from what I see is don't get run over by a horse, looks like it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 I completely agree when will it become an issue that these people are trespassing on private land. I now that the country side is hard to police but if more of these people where prosecuted for trespass and disturbing the peace there would be less of it going on. But trespass isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 But trespass isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter these days in these cases were looking at aggravated trespass Which is a criminal offence Our local hunt is coming on leaps and bounds with understanding the law and how the police should apply themselves in these situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 But trespass isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter these days Unless its armed or aggravated trespass. Can you be armed with an ideology or a hunting horn, perhaps not but certainly this is aggravated trespass. Maybe the police fearing that to prosecute the huntsman, they must also prosecute the injured person ? 68 Offence of aggravated trespass. (1)A person commits the offence of aggravated trespass if he trespasses on land [F1in the open air] and, in relation to any lawful activity which persons are engaging in or are about to engage in on that or adjoining land [F2in the open air] , does there anything which is intended by him to have the effect (a) of intimidating those persons or any of them so as to deter them or any of them from engaging in that activity, (b)of obstructing that activity, or ©of disrupting that activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 But trespass isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter these days I think aggravated trespass is a criminal offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 But trespass isn't a criminal offence, it's a civil matter these days I thought the horse was perfectly civil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Wow, I stand corrected......lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) i'm presuming the protester shouldn't of been there in the first place (private land), but with actions like this its no wonder hunting is always portrayed in a bad light. the Huntsmen must of known he was either in danger of hitting her or that he had as he appears to have hit her head on, we are only seeing a very narrow field of view so cant see what may be happening to the right that may or may not have caused the huntsmen to want to get himself and his horse out of the way? but videos like this are only further nails in the coffin of fieldsports. Edited March 14, 2015 by Markr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 i'm presuming the protester shouldn't of been there in the first place (private land), but with actions like this its no wonder hunting is always portrayed in a bad light. the Huntsmen must of known he was either in danger of hitting her or that he had as he appears to have hit her head on, were only seeing a very narrow field of view so cant see what may be happening to the right that may or may not have caused the huntsmen to want to get himself and his horse out of the way? but videos like this are only further nails in the coffin of fieldsports. The points you are missing are that a) What they were doing was legal, so why protest ? b) The video was at best, staged, if not both staged and edited to portray fieldsports in a bad light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 As I said earlier, based on this footage, it could be an accident even if the rider didn't care if he hit one of the two in the gateway as he turned into the field. Ok careless but these antis are very organised and may have been out after this hunt every day they meet. We have the same with a bunch of smellies who live on the Norfolk/Suffolk border and when they are not after hunts they try to disrupt shooting. Or bookies when the Grand National is on. Police hate them as they waste precious resources. Can we get them added to the General Licence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 The points you are missing are that a) What they were doing was legal, so why protest ? b) The video was at best, staged, if not both staged and edited to portray fieldsports in a bad light pray tell how you "stage" several broken ribs and a torn lung? and whilst I have no time for these idiots who wish to simply spoil a sport, a little consideration of the implications of an impact with a horse at the gallop would have been justified, as would stopping to see if you had actually hurt the woman, nope a wonderful way not of getting Joe public on board re hunting. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Need update, is the horse OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Need update, is the horse OK? I'm worrying that it could have contracted a serious skin infection so if you hear it's OK, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 pray tell how you "stage" several broken ribs and a torn lung? and whilst I have no time for these idiots who wish to simply spoil a sport, a little consideration of the implications of an impact with a horse at the gallop would have been justified, as would stopping to see if you had actually hurt the woman, nope a wonderful way not of getting Joe public on board re hunting. KW May not be the way KW, and neither is it the way to protest against something you dont believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 The points you are missing are that a) What they were doing was legal, so why protest ? b) The video was at best, staged, if not both staged and edited to portray fieldsports in a bad light so if someone walks out in front of my car whilst the little red mans on at traffic lights im allowed to run them over?? im not a lover of antis/sabs but that doesn't mean what happened was right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 im not a lover of antis/sabs but that doesn't mean what happened was right And you're confident from the editing of this 'anti' video that you know 'what happened'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 And you're confident from the editing of this 'anti' video that you know 'what happened'? as i stated in my first post, "were only seeing a very narrow field of view so cant see what may be happening to the right that may or may not have caused the huntsmen to want to get himself and his horse out of the way?" but regardless of what was or wasn't going on he MUST of realised he'd hit someone and as we all know it will have been edited to make it look even worse probably than it was but either way its not good for fox hunting packs or for the wider fieldsport's community when things like this come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 as i stated in my first post, "were only seeing a very narrow field of view so cant see what may be happening to the right that may or may not have caused the huntsmen to want to get himself and his horse out of the way?" but regardless of what was or wasn't going on he MUST of realised he'd hit someone and as we all know it will have been edited to make it look even worse probably than it was but either way its not good for fox hunting packs or for the wider fieldsport's community when things like this come out. But the rider didn't hit her, the horse did, therefore it is highly likley the rider would not have known a thing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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