AVB Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 do I know any? KW Some say that one comes from Hartlepool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 My reasons for moving from Con to UKIP... I lost my patience with the Cons over their policy of perpetually inflating house prices through various means. It's a mask for a ******** economy not to mention my own selfish position of being unable to afford to buy a decent family home despite earning a pretty decent salary. My parents generation were able to buy a substantial home in a nice area on one reasonable/average salary, 25yrs ago. Sure immigration plays a part in supply and demand but nowhere near the effect of Government and bank policy of over lending and providing constant props like H2B to hold prices up. Free market my **** they can't afford to increase interest rates of do anything to adversely affect house prices. I admit, UKIP doesn't offer credible answers to that one but neither does anyone else. Labour presided over the rapid house price growth in the naughties, plus they're socialist so fundamentally against my politics. Also, I dislike Cameron personally. I see him as insincere, pretending not to be as plummy as he really is. He is lying to us / kidding himself over Europe. Angie and Juncker keep telling him that no negotiation is possible on the key areas he wants to negotiate (namely borders and movement). A pretenderendum won't do in that case Dave. He has failed in several other policies, the national debt doubled under this coalition and he still tries to tell us that they've done a good job on the economy. Printing money, lending it and calling it growth isn't growth. It's fake. Investing in infrastructure and industry to make stuff to sell to foreign lands is growth. UKIP, whilst being too immature a party to be credible, represent something different. Populist perhaps, but I find myself agreeing with a huge amount of their policies. Best of a bad bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Some say that one comes from Hartlepool. There are an awful lot more of the same in Hartlepool, its literally as safe a labour seat as there is possible to have, but UKIP may just create the perfect storm up here, and I for one am voting for change regardless of the con men scaremongering, Christ anyway I would rather have the SNP in a coalition than the smarmy plum gobbed unelected conman we have had for the last 5 years feathering the nests of his mates whilst the man in the bottom is blamed and made to pay for a mess not of their making,come on Nige. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 What do you suggest we make that we are not already making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 There are an awful lot more of the same in Hartlepool, its literally as safe a labour seat as there is possible to have, but UKIP may just create the perfect storm up here, and I for one am voting for change regardless of the con men scaremongering, Christ anyway I would rather have the SNP in a coalition than the smarmy plum gobbed unelected conman we have had for the last 5 years feathering the nests of his mates whilst the man in the bottom is blamed and made to pay for a mess not of their making,come on Nige. KW KW you are entitled to your opinion and to vote as you see fit, but I suspect that if there were a Labour/SNP coalition that you may have cause in the future to regret that it happened, but vote as your conscience guides you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 There are an awful lot more of the same in Hartlepool, its literally as safe a labour seat as there is possible to have, but UKIP may just create the perfect storm up here, and I for one am voting for change regardless of the con men scaremongering, Christ anyway I would rather have the SNP in a coalition than the smarmy plum gobbed unelected conman we have had for the last 5 years feathering the nests of his mates whilst the man in the bottom is blamed and made to pay for a mess not of their making,come on Nige. KW Quite a few men ( and ladies!) at the bottom overspent and got themselves into their own pile of manure, nothing to do with the banks, labour or the Tories. You do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about DC and NF seems to be able to do no wrong in your eyes ( at least that is how it seems from your posts. NF is no different to DC, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Quite a few men ( and ladies!) at the bottom overspent and got themselves into their own pile of manure, nothing to do with the banks, labour or the Tories. You do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about DC and NF seems to be able to do no wrong in your eyes ( at least that is how it seems from your posts. NF is no different to DC, I have no chip whatsoever , just eyes that can see, a mind that is open,ears that actually listen, and an ability to analyse information, wake up and smell something other than flatulence, and get your X against something that offers change and promise rather than corruption and failure. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Sheen Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I have no chip whatsoever , just eyes that can see, a mind that is open,ears that actually listen, and an ability to analyse information, wake up and smell something other than flatulence, and get your X against something that offers change and promise rather than corruption and failure. KW Genuinely interested here, do you believe that there would be no corruption in a ukip government? if so why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/probably-the-weirdest-answer-ever-given-on-camera--lksU4X0FyW What. just, what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Genuinely interested here, do you believe that there would be no corruption in a ukip government? if so why? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32007161 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Genuinely interested here, do you believe that there would be no corruption in a ukip government? if so why? Having Neil Hamilton as Deputy Chairman of the party isn't a great sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Having Neil Hamilton as Deputy Chairman of the party isn't a great sign. why? KW Edited April 16, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Just watched sturgeon offer not only to get into bed with millipede but to give him the best **** job ever, my god talk about pleading it was embarrassing , nice to see the beeb have an impartial audience again mind :lol: :lol: KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I have no chip whatsoever , just eyes that can see, a mind that is open,ears that actually listen, and an ability to analyse information, wake up and smell something other than flatulence, and get your X against something that offers change and promise rather than corruption and failure. KW I can only go by your posts. I am happy to open my mind, as I have stated on here many times, I have had several opinions changed over the years. It's one of the reasons i like the forum. There is a wealth of opinion on here but on UKIP, i remain to be convinced. I would hardly call the current performance of UK PLC a failure. According to the IMF, not DC, we have just leapfrogged France to become the second largest economy in the eurozone and are only behind the USA in the G7 countries. As i said to you recently, a manifesto is what a party would like to do. Reality means compromising on some things and let other things go. I have issues with unlimited immigration and the EU but NF has not got the answers, as a country we cannot simply tear up a treaty, much as some would like us to. You keep rattling on about the bankers, they were only partly to blame but if they hadn't been bailed out and we had a run on the banks, the crash in 1929 would have seen like a playground fight . NF is just a far right Tory, nothing more. Shades of gray KW, shades of gray. Not all of life is black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 why? KW So you've now figured out who the background people in 'your' beloved party are. Did you not just write this a minute or two ago ? I take it you dont have a telly or get newspapers? he hasn't been deputy chairman since April 2014 try some other smear mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 So you've now figured out who the background people in 'your' beloved party are. Did you not just write this a minute or two ago ? yes I got it wrong but still ask the question why KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Having read these posts I've decided to vote UKIP. Apparently they can get us building ships at a price that's competitive, make great cars like Rover did (not), rebuild the steel industry etc etc. All this whilst dispensing with those awful immigrants. Edited April 16, 2015 by digger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I can only go by your posts. I am happy to open my mind, as I have stated on here many times, I have had several opinions changed over the years. It's one of the reasons i like the forum.r There is a wealth of opinion on here but on UKIP, i remain to be convinced. I would hardly call the current performance of UK PLC a failure. According to the IMF, not DC, we have just leapfrogged France to become the second largest economy in the eurozone and are only behind the USA in the G7 countries. As i said to you recently, a manifesto is what a party would like to do. Reality means compromising on some things and let other things go. I have issues with unlimited immigration and the EU but NF has not got the answers, as a country we cannot simply tear up a treaty, much as some would like us to. You keep rattling on about the bankers, they were only partly to blame but if they hadn't been bailed out and we had a run on the banks, the crash in 1929 would have seen like a playground fight . NF is just a far right Tory, nothing more. Shades of gray KW, shades of gray. Not all of life is black and white. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 570 posts but your not bovered come on nige stuff the cons. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Having read these posts I've decided to vote UKIP. Apparently they can get us building ships at a price that's competitive, make great cars like Rover did (not), rebuild the steel industry etc etc. All this whilst dispensing with those awful immigrants. With your interpretation of things you might be better with labour,they promise to make everything better,and if you are good you might get a lollipop from uncle ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Having read these posts I've decided to vote UKIP. Apparently they can get us building ships at a price that's competitive, make great cars like Rover did (not), rebuild the steel industry etc etc. All this whilst dispensing with those awful immigrants. Actually when Monty Finiston killed off our steel industry it actually was the world leader(particularly in pipe manufacture), sadly the Spaniards (via the EU trade agreement) with an inferior product killed us but you wont WONT to know that will you! KW Edited April 16, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 What a debate. They should be able to cut the microphone when they all get bickery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Come on where comments on jimmy krankies I will get on my knees for you Ed, come on keg admit it you watched the biased carp did you not. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I am in Tenerife at the moment and taking the opportunity to watch flamenco dancing on spanish TV rather than watch the debates. And for what it's worth Tenerife = **** hole. I am in one of the best hotels on the island and it is a only fraction above chav city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Actually when Monty Finiston killed off our steel industry it actually was the world leader(particularly in pipe manufacture), sadly the Spaniards (via the EU trade agreement) with an inferior product killed us but you wont know that will you! KW Nope, it was our socialist friend Tony Benn ( Viscount Stansgate, lost the title but not the money) who wanted to nationalise anything he could as he believed in central control ( like all good lefties as long as it didn't affect him) under Harold Wilson. Over capacity and subsidies was the name of the game, was costing the country a fortune.... No flexibility from the unions and no real leadership. Sound familiar? Read "Crisis, What Crisis- Britain in the 1970s" that will explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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