trickhannah Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 hi my HMR groups a 5 shot clover leaf at 50 yards but after that its starts shooting high and left and right just random any help thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 In what wind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Crown damage/rust. Been leaving a mod on? Bad bedding. Barrel just touching fore end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickhannah Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 no wind brand new rifle tryed 2 mods and still the same tryed diff brands of bullets aswell just the same out come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 try without a mod. if you get a good group with your first five then all over the place each time you use it, it could be a dodgy thread on the barrel causing it to go off zero as the barrel warms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Heat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickhannah Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 not heat first shot cold barrle is off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 It's an HMR. Loads on here about them. Some are consistently tack drivers, some are scatterguns and some seem to develop problems as they go along. As it's a new rifle shoot it in first and don't expect too much from it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Which rifle? Bedding? Barrel pressure point or not free floating enough?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Are you zeroing it at 50 yards ? if so move it out to 100 as the your groups your getting could just be opening up at longer ranges . Edited April 26, 2015 by Devonhunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Are you zeroing it at 50 yards ? if so move it out to 100 as the your groups your getting could just be opening up at longer ranges . you need to zero at 100 yards not 50 . Wouldn't change his grouping tho Zero at 35 yards will be bang on at 100 . Not bring harsh but is it the gun? I see lots of people expecting to much from the gun but not themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) yeh according to ballistic charts as i bet the velocity it says on the box is not the same as its coming out your muzzle , i know i have zerod at 35 and gone to 100 and results have been shocking , at 35-50 yards the worst rounds look good but when at 100 - 120 yards they open up . Edited April 26, 2015 by Devonhunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 yeh according to ballistic charts , have you actually zerod at 35 yards and then checked at 100 , i know i have zerod at 35 and gone to 100 and results have been shocking , at 35-50 yards the worst rounds look good but when at 100 - 120 yards they open up , also depends on the velocity its doing cause i bet you its not doing what its says on the box .I check mine at 35 yards up the farm and it's bang on at 100 yards with my cz455.I can managed clover leafs at 100 but not all the time as wind, tiredness , breathing ( I'm asthmatic ) all plays it's part. I used to shoot ft comps so my back ground helps. I feel most read topics on hmr managing 1/2" groups at 100 yards and wonder why they can't . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 As a fellow asthmatic i know where your coming from , but what im trying to say is that a 35 yard or 50 yard zero dosnt mean it will group the same at 100 yards especially if the rifle isnt keen on the rounds he is using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Mine has a heavy reticle S&B on the groups are quite large at 100m with it as the big cross makes aim at a small dot hard. shot from sledge the groups are tight due to no change in point of aim That's me not the rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Is the rifle a 455? If it is check that the 2 locking studs for the barrel are fully tight, I had the same problem when I first got mine and sure enough the barrel was not properly secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 The rifle cover leafs at 50yrds but the groups get much bigger when you fire over that distance is this correct? If it is we will assume a 1/4" group at 50 yards at 100 yards that should be 1/2" capable rifle. It would be a very rare rifle that knows it's shooting at a 100 yards target and therefore makes the desision not to shoot well, but then says I like 50 yards I'll produce a perfect group. I would do a few thing before blaming the rifle Get a known good shot to shoot it at 50 and 100 yards see what group they get, or use a sledge. Check what area the scope recticule covers at 100 yards my old S&B covers a 1/2" at 100yards I therefore know I will struggle to achieve better than 3/4 at 100 yards. W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I check mine at 35 yards up the farm and it's bang on at 100 yards with my cz455. I can managed clover leafs at 100 but not all the time as wind, tiredness , breathing ( I'm asthmatic ) all plays it's part. I used to shoot ft comps so my back ground helps. I feel most read topics on hmr managing 1/2" groups at 100 yards and wonder why they can't . This does seem to be a common issue and is really prevalent on the airgun circuit with people quoting one hole groups at 40 yards as if its the norm for every shooter in every condition. I know it can be done but it does make inexperienced shooters look to the gun rather than themselves if they are not getting the same The best I can do with my HMR is about an inch and a half at 100 off my sticks, however I know the rifle can do 1/3" at 100 yards as I have benched it on a tunnel range. I generally on a new gun if I can bench the rifle so I can be sure what it can do without me screwing it up then have a go in the field . Its just a pity there arnt more dedicated pay and shoot tunnel ranges like the fantastic Calton Moor range. I know on my permission its a 10 minute walk minimum to a good zeroing point so its off the stick or pod for me. Edited April 26, 2015 by Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickhannah Posted April 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 It a browning t-Bolt i have tried 2 different makes of ammo and still not grouping the group at 100 yards is more like a 12 bore its any thing from 6 inch high to 6 inch left and right in a random fashion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 As it's brand new, there's only one answer and that's to send it back from whence it came for examination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 This does seem to be a common issue and is really prevalent on the airgun circuit with people quoting one hole groups at 40 yards as if its the norm for every shooter in every condition. I know it can be done but it does make inexperienced shooters look to the gun rather than themselves if they are not getting the same The best I can do with my HMR is about an inch and a half at 100 off my sticks, however I know the rifle can do 1/3" at 100 yards as I have benched it on a tunnel range. I generally on a new gun if I can bench the rifle so I can be sure what it can do without me screwing it up then have a go in the field . Its just a pity there arnt more dedicated pay and shoot tunnel ranges like the fantastic Calton Moor range. I know on my permission its a 10 minute walk minimum to a good zeroing point so its off the stick or pod for me. Some days I struggle to hit the field lol :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Some days I struggle to hit the field lol :( I hear you on that score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I heard them Brownings have horrendous triggers! How true is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Just out of curiosity... what x mag. is your scope set at when your trying to zero? Iv a 6-24x50 on my HMR. The 'natural' thing to want to do is wind upto 24x and think youl pop round after round through the same hole... unless your in a clamp/sledge, that aint happening! The higher the mag, the more your movements are exaggerated in the scope. In theory the 'wobble' is the exact same at 24x as say 9x and you should still be able to hit the target, and group just fine... but in the field i find you see more movement, try harder to steady it, you end up getting flustered which knocks your steadiness meaning you miss by more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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