Gordon R Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 MartynGT4 - I suggest you follow your own advice and stop reading comments you don't like. I am sure that your comments above will be welcomed by antis. It shows your attitude in a poor light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 MartynGT4 - I suggest you follow your own advice and stop reading comments you don't like. I am sure that your comments above will be welcomed by antis. It shows your attitude in a poor light. Well you're a fine one to talk about attitude.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 MartynGT4 - I posted merely to demonstrate that whilst you criticise others, you can't resist a petty little comment. Those antis you fear so much must be sat laughing at the irony of your situation.I know I am. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I disagree with the death penalty. Furthermore, one of the reasons it was abolished here was because juries were reluctant to sentence a man to death meaning some guilty men would not be convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I disagree with the death penalty. Furthermore, one of the reasons it was abolished here was because juries were reluctant to sentence a man to death meaning some guilty men would not be convicted. Thats absolutely true, a point often not considered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Whilst I support the death penalty, I have to respect the opposite view. It is genuinely a tricky one. The subject of the OP is simpler insofar as it happened in another country. Their business, not ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 MartynGT4 - I posted merely to demonstrate that whilst you criticise others, you can't resist a petty little comment. Those antis you fear so much must be sat laughing at the irony of your situation. I know I am. :lol: Oh grow up Gordon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) It appears that in Indonesia the weak and vunerable mules get executed while the Barons live in luxury above the law. That would be my only real objection, and its not just there. Everywhere around the world, including this country, crime pays once you rise above the rank of footsoldier Edited May 1, 2015 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Everywhere around the world, including this country, crime pays once you rise above the rank of footsoldier ask any MP, Lord, or CPO KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 The death penalty has been abolished in this country due to the cost-its far cheaper to imprison a man for life. The legal wrangling involved in a couple of death sentences would bankrupt this country-countries that keep such a punishment do not have the same human rights luxury that we enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Vince Green - perhaps the most telling post on the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) The death penalty has been abolished in this country due to the cost-its far cheaper to imprison a man for life. The legal wrangling involved in a couple of death sentences would bankrupt this country-countries that keep such a punishment do not have the same human rights luxury that we enjoy. It was abolished because mistakes were made and innocent people were murdered by the state. Timothy Evans was hanged on the 9th March, 1950 for the murder of his daughter (he was also charged with murdering his wife but was not actually tried for it) in what seemed at the time like a simple case of domestic murder to which he had made an apparently voluntary confession. Two years later the bodies of more women were discovered in the same house, No.10 Rillington Place. They had all been murdered by Evan's landlord, John Reginald Halliday Christie (who had given evidence against Evans at his trial). This case raised serious doubts as to whether an innocent man had been hanged. In January 1953, 19 year old Derek Bentley went to the gallows in London's Wandsworth prison having been convicted of the murder of a policeman the previous year. The conviction may have been technically correct but it was seen as totally unjust by most people that a person should be hanged for a crime that even the police at the scene said he neither did nor could have committed as he was effectively under arrest at the time. The lad who fired the fatal shot, Christopher Craig, was under 18 at the time and therefore could not be hanged and actually served just 10 years in prison. Edited May 2, 2015 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Whilst I support the death penalty, I have to respect the opposite view. It is genuinely a tricky one. If you support the death penalty, then you have to support innocent people being executed. Because there have being miscarriages of justice that if the death penalty was in place the person would have being executed. I find it strange that anyone can support the death penalty knowing that. It was abolished because mistakes were made and innocent people were murdered by the state. + 1 Edited May 2, 2015 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 If you support the death penalty, then you have to support innocent people being executed. That is plainly untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 If you support the death penalty, then you have to support innocent people being executed. That should read you have to accept that innocent people could be executed,slightly different I personally dont want capital punishment but not for that reason solely , I dont want it because simply put plod and our judicial system are not trustworthy enough to hold that responsibility. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Easy mistake to make. They were both born in Australia, one to Chinese migrants and one to Tamil migrants. Indonesia is, I believe the most highly populated muslim country in the world. Their laws are strict and their penalties harsh. It's well known, especially in that area of the world that they have a zero tolerance approach to drug smuggling. Whether we agree with it or not, it is their law. We expect people to abide by and respect our laws or suffer the consequences, so it's only right Indonesia are afforded the same respect. For what it's worth I wouldn't support the reintroduction of the death penalty in this country...unless someone was really, really naughty. Like, Ian Huntley naughty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Like, Ian Huntley naughty? Indeed, Ian Huntley, Harold Shipman, Michael Adebolajo, Michael Adebowale, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Dennis Nilsen, Tony Blair...the list is endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Indeed, Ian Huntley, Harold Shipman, Michael Adebolajo, Michael Adebowale, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Dennis Nilsen, Tony Blair...the list is endless. Be careful. MartynGT4 will be on your case for this comment. An anti might be reading. I don't know why, but i'm liking the cut of your jib, recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Indeed, Ian Huntley, Harold Shipman, Michael Adebolajo, Michael Adebowale, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Dennis Nilsen, Tony Blair...the list is endless. Problem is whilst there are those ( as named) I would gladly slip a noose over , we have had the likes of Timothy Evans, George Kelly, Mohamood Mattan , Derek Bentley, and more Etc And as I once heard if the death penalty is such a deterrent why do so many of those convicted and given life , try to or actually as with Shipman and West top themselves? mind you I would vote for it if the FCB ashley would be placed on the gallows. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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