saddler Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 So what they going to do about urban gangs and drug dealers in cars speeding around then? A far greater threat to society, no? Ah, but such folk are a far from soft target for political goal scoring...they need too much effort spent on them for a diminishing return. Have a look at the %age of the Scottish health budget that is "spent" on methadone treatments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 As the police won't have time we will probably find anti gun vigilantes (Protectionists) will police the law and bring about prosecutions.......haven't we been here before??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 From Press articles I read recently and comments here on licensing delays, how will the FEO's manage this huge workload? By the way how many airguns are there expected to be within this law? Does this include my CO2 pistol which was intended for .177 plastic balls but which will take a lead pellet - albeit it barely clears the barrel unless you are using a fresh new canister? The police will go into meltdown if/when this becomes law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 That is why I said earlier it won't really change anything. OK, if you don't get on with the neighbours they will be able to stop you shooting in the back yard. Those of us that do get on with the neighbours and are courteous won't have an issue because bobbies don't live in the bushes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Another case of the Nanny State interfering in an issue which really isn't a widespread problem and never has been. Further eroding of civil liberties. There are sufficient laws to cover unsafe use of air rifles (I refuse to use the term "weapons" as a weapon when referring to a rifle is one specifically designed and intended for taking human life). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Another case of the Nanny State interfering in an issue which really isn't a widespread problem and never has been. Further eroding of civil liberties. There are sufficient laws to cover unsafe use of air rifles (I refuse to use the term "weapons" as a weapon when referring to a rifle is one specifically designed and intended for taking human life).Spot on and the bit about the term weapons! I shoot rifles and shot guns and have never wielded a weapon at anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 I was hoping that DavidBASC would have been in a position to have given us a clearer understanding on the initial questions raised? Was I correct in my interpretation or not?As a side note it has meant I have picked up a free air rifle, as a friend has already said they have no intention of applying for a license and are giving me the rifle in a couple of weeks ;-) Every cloud and that! I did read that SGC and FAC holders will be able to own air rifles on their certs without applying for an air rifle certificate BUT only until it needs renewing then an air rifle license needs to be applied for! I was hoping for common sense (Fat chance in government) that FAC and SGC holders would automatically be classed as suitable persons to own an air rifle!! Sadly not, more paperwork! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Will it mean then there will be no power restrictions? That would be a good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 m3vert, Is it the point about plinking in the back garden you wish me to clarify? If so, as i posted, this was a concern although unfounded in my view provided the shooter ensures that pellets do no go outside of their boundary as the current law already requires ta David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 But they are still all going to have to be licenced aren't they? This assumes owners bother. Many I suspect will just disappear into the cupboard. How many are there and how will the police cope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 m3vert, Is it the point about plinking in the back garden you wish me to clarify? If so, as i posted, this was a concern although unfounded in my view provided the shooter ensures that pellets do no go outside of their boundary as the current law already requires ta David Thanks Dave you have answered my point appreciated :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 This assumes owners bother. Many I suspect will just disappear into the cupboard. How many are there and how will the police cope People could do that, but then they would be in illegal possession of a firearm / air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 People could do that, but then they would be in illegal possession of a firearm / air rifle. Exactly, but who would ever know? This is why retrospective licensing doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 People could do that, but then they would be in illegal possession of a firearm / air rifle. Who's going to find out though ? There'll be thousands of them just shoved in the back of cupboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) Exactly, but who would ever know? This is why retrospective licensing doesn't work. Not a chance i would like to take, how they would know. I am sure local police know a lot of people that have air rifles, neighbours , family etc. Just takes one to report you and it could be jail time plus the loss of any other firearms owned. If they apply the law it will work people will hand them in or get a licence, or keep them illegal with all the coincidences that could bring. People can argue the rights or wrongs, but shouldn't kid themselves that it can't or won't be brought in and enforced It is here. Edited June 14, 2015 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 The legislation is based on an individuals honesty to comply, and I can see all firearms owners being asked on renewal if they possess any air rifles, but no one else. I have no doubt there will also be a huge advertising campaign in the press for a period of time, but make no mistake, this law will only affect the law abiding, as usual, and not those who the legislation is meant to target. There is no compensation scheme in operation as far as I know for those who have paid for an air rifle in good faith but who don't feel they use it enough to merit paying for a license, so their only option is to either surrender their personal and perfectly legally bought and owned private property ( and no financial recompense remember ) through no fault of their own or pay for a license. Some may not wish to do so, and I can't say I blame them. It is abysmally bad law, imposed for spurious reasons and based on illogical suppositions and deserves non-compliance as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 The legislation is based on an individuals honesty to comply, and I can see all firearms owners being asked on renewal if they possess any air rifles, but no one else. I have no doubt there will also be a huge advertising campaign in the press for a period of time, but make no mistake, this law will only affect the law abiding, as usual, and not those who the legislation is meant to target. There is no compensation scheme in operation as far as I know for those who have paid for an air rifle in good faith but who don't feel they use it enough to merit paying for a license, so their only option is to either surrender their personal and perfectly legally bought and owned private property ( and no financial recompense remember ) through no fault of their own or pay for a license. Some may not wish to do so, and I can't say I blame them. It is abysmally bad law, imposed for spurious reasons and based on illogical suppositions and deserves non-compliance as far as I'm concerned. I whole heartedly agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Not a chance i would like to take, how they would know. I am sure local police know a lot of people that have air rifles, neighbours , family etc. Just takes one to report you and it could be jail time plus the loss of any other firearms owned. If they apply the law it will work people will hand them in or get a licence, or keep them illegal with all the coincidences that could bring. People can argue the rights or wrongs, but shouldn't kid themselves that it can't or won't be brought in and enforced It is here. You sound scared of big brother Mr. No one will go to jail, there is no room left in jail! It's full of criminals the majority of which have actually committed a traditional bad crime, not broken a political muscle flexing exercise law! It is akin to the fox hunting ban. Do you really think they all have stopped chasing foxs? How many fox hunters are in jail prosecuted for chasing foxs? Not many is it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 You sound scared of big brother Mr. No one will go to jail, there is no room left in jail! It's full of criminals the majority of which have actually committed a traditional bad crime, not broken a political muscle flexing exercise law! It is akin to the fox hunting ban. Do you really think they all have stopped chasing foxs? How many fox hunters are in jail prosecuted for chasing foxs? Not many is it! The danger is that those who have other firearm licences or certificates become easy targets for the sake of headline reporting statistics, we make an easy target as we are already known to the system so easy to shine a bright light on us. Will they just target all cert' & licence holders in Scotland? It would be a fair assumption that anybody who owns an S1 or S2 gun will also have an air gun, it goes with the territory. When the feo came around to my house to check the gun safe I had my springer air rifle in there, did he make a note of that to see if I would comply when the legislation is enacted? How easy would it be to make me look like a villain if I didn't register the air rifle? What Machiavellian motivations could they concoct around my lack of compliance? I guess that we may find out the answer to these questions before very much longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 The legislation is based on an individuals honesty to comply, and I can see all firearms owners being asked on renewal if they possess any air rifles, but no one else. I have no doubt there will also be a huge advertising campaign in the press for a period of time, but make no mistake, this law will only affect the law abiding, as usual, and not those who the legislation is meant to target. There is no compensation scheme in operation as far as I know for those who have paid for an air rifle in good faith but who don't feel they use it enough to merit paying for a license, so their only option is to either surrender their personal and perfectly legally bought and owned private property ( and no financial recompense remember ) through no fault of their own or pay for a license. Some may not wish to do so, and I can't say I blame them. It is abysmally bad law, imposed for spurious reasons and based on illogical suppositions and deserves non-compliance as far as I'm concerned. What he said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 You sound scared of big brother Mr. No one will go to jail, there is no room left in jail! It's full of criminals the majority of which have actually committed a traditional bad crime, not broken a political muscle flexing exercise law! It is akin to the fox hunting ban. Do you really think they all have stopped chasing foxs? How many fox hunters are in jail prosecuted for chasing foxs? Not many is it! Are you advising people to break the law. ? Some people might or might not go to jail, if they brake the law but I would bet any other firearms would be taken from them and their FAC revoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Are you advising people to break the law. ? Some people might or might not go to jail, if they brake the law but I would bet any other firearms would be taken from them and their FAC revoked.Have you never ever broken a law?Yes why not, I never voted them in and I don't agree to nonsense law. If one wants to be led so be it. Others may not want to be so easily controlled. Do you think, really think that if you are a good boy that you will get special preference? Errr no, you won't. No matter how well you play by their rules they will, I promise, keep chipping away at you. Edited June 15, 2015 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Are you advising people to break the law. ? Some people might or might not go to jail, if they brake the law but I would bet any other firearms would be taken from them and their FAC revoked. As I mentioned in another thread, sometimes the only way for an unjust law to be overturned is for a large group to break it. Why was the Poll Tax phased out? The people regarded it as unfair and some committed individuals protested about it and refused to pay. Some of those individuals did indeed end up in prison but eventually that unfair tax was abolished. I guess the Scots may have to rely on individuals willing to make a similar sacrifice if this law is brought in and they want it overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 "Do you think, really think that if you are a good boy that you will get special preference?Errr no, you won't. No matter how well you play by their rules they will, I promise, keep chipping away at you." + 1 = sadly true.Law abiding citizens easy to control targets,travellers/migrants/ethnic minorities less simple to deal with so mostly can ignore laws with impunity,I honestly don't think those who voted for SNP(or any other party)support all their bills/objectives such as their attitude on "gun control". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well regardless of your views here is one guy who will conform to the new law!! I like my family and my sport too much to risk losing both because I won't apply for a license! (regardless of how daft I think it is). If someone want to be a martyr and take a few months in jail to prove a point then crack on but it wont be me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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