Scully Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Are you advising people to break the law. ? Some people might or might not go to jail, if they brake the law but I would bet any other firearms would be taken from them and their FAC revoked. You're assuming that only certificate holders own air rifles. Well regardless of your views here is one guy who will conform to the new law!! I like my family and my sport too much to risk losing both because I won't apply for a license! (regardless of how daft I think it is). If someone want to be a martyr and take a few months in jail to prove a point then crack on but it wont be me lol And that is exactly why this law will only affect the law abiding. People who already own firearms or shotguns certificates are not usually the type to go around taking pot shots at the neighbours cat or kids playing on swings, but will nevertheless be targeted by the authorities, but no one else will be for the simple reason they don't know who to target. Will they never learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 And that is exactly why this law will only affect the law abiding. People who already own firearms or shotguns certificates are not usually the type to go around taking pot shots at the neighbours cat or kids playing on swings, but will nevertheless be targeted by the authorities, but no one else will be for the simple reason they don't know who to target. Will they never learn? People who operate in a controlled environment are easy to police, just like honest motorists with road tax, insurance and mot's. Without a shadow of doubt those with firearms tickets will be the first to be targeted with this legislation and it will be so easy to make someone a villain if they don't comply. If you are not responsible enough to register your air rifle then how can you possibly be trusted with a more powerful gun? total disregard for the law from a supposedly responsible firearm owner, etc. If a few are done then how easy to park a big black cloud over the shooting community as a whole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 It would be amusingly ironic if the only people who applied for certificates were indeed already license holders, highlighting to the Scottish ministers the futility of their legislation which could be made the most of by our shooting organisations in a gleeful explosion of 'told you so', meanwhile leaving hundreds of thousands of unlicensed air rifles in circulation, and no way of tracing them. The only upside of licensing is that if and when the Scottish ministers get their way and all firearms are banned, there will be compensation. Keep your receipts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Will the power restriction be lifted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Will the power restriction be lifted? That's a very good point. Logic dictates it should be, but logic and firearms legislation rarely apply to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I would doubt it as 'fireams' law is still reserved for Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 It would be amusingly ironic if the only people who applied for certificates were indeed already license holders, highlighting to the Scottish ministers the futility of their legislation which could be made the most of by our shooting organisations in a gleeful explosion of 'told you so', meanwhile leaving hundreds of thousands of unlicensed air rifles in circulation, and no way of tracing them. The only upside of licensing is that if and when the Scottish ministers get their way and all firearms are banned, there will be compensation. Keep your receipts. If that ultimately happens then invest in a couple of big safes or build a gun room, I am sure that you would have more than a few people pay you good storage rates to keep their guns just south of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 To all our Scottish friends, seeing as how I'm a generous and kind hearted soul, and wouldn't like to see you get into trouble, I'll make an offer you can't refuse. I'll give you £5 for any PCP or £2.50 for a springer, this is purely out of the goodness of my heart and done to help you out See how kind the English are to you ? We don't hold a grudge just because you voted the SNP dictatorship in to power :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well regardless of your views here is one guy who will conform to the new law!! I like my family and my sport too much to risk losing both because I won't apply for a license! (regardless of how daft I think it is). If someone want to be a martyr and take a few months in jail to prove a point then crack on but it wont be me lol You won't be on your own. You will find the ones doing all the talking about not complying with the law will be the first in the queue to comply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 We don't hold a grudge just because you voted the SNP dictatorship in to power :lol: some of us didn't so please don't tar us all with the same brush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I would doubt it as 'fireams' law is still reserved for Westminster. I'm not sure I see what difference that makes. If firearms certificates are required for air rifles then doesn't that make them S1? Is there such a thing as a S2 air rifle? Or am I missing something? I'm assuming S1 and S2 legislation still applies in Scotland regardless of this new legislation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 But these are not firearms certificates,these are scottish air'weapon' certificates.Section 1+2 are controlled by UK law the scottish government can't touch these,however westminster devolved non firearm certificate airguns to scotland to give them something to do for a while.If the scottish government raised the power levels something they would never do considering their trying to reduce how 'dangerous' air weapons are they would be interfering with UK law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. I think in that case then if it were me, if I was going to need a license for an air gun anyhow, then I may as well go the whole hog and make it S1. Seems daft not to really, given the circumstances. There's always an upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Saddler I have not yet read the full bill. HOWEVER Having got as far as a young person owning an air rifle it clearly states: "The conditions are that (za) the holder may use and possess an air weapon only for sporting purposes 10 (including shooting live quarry) on private land, (a) the holder may use and possess an air weapon only for the purposes of target shooting on private land, (b) the holder may use and possess an air weapon only for the purposes of participating in events or competitions, 15 © the holder may use and possess an air weapon only for the purposes of the holders membership of an approved air weapon club, (d) the holder may use and possess an air weapon only for the purposes of protecting livestock, crops or produce on land used for or in connection with agriculture, (e) the holder may use and possess an air weapon only for the purposes of pest 20 control". So unless somewhere later in the bill it states something to the contrary of the above, I think you might be mistaken?? Once I have completed reading it I will respond further if I am wrong. Private land is all well and good! But Local Authority owned "Council" houses are not private. Without permission from the authority to shoot in the garden, this would surely place you in the remit of Armed Tresspass? Granted, due to your tennancy agreement you have permission to enter and use the abode, as per contractual agreement! But as there is no agreement in the contract about permission to use the garden as a shooting range, it could "would" lead to a firearms offence being committed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Russell Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 This might be of interest http://www.airgunmagazine.co.uk/news/after-delay-in-being-released-scottish-airgun-stats-reveal-stark-truth/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 This might be of interest http://www.airgunmagazine.co.uk/news/after-delay-in-being-released-scottish-airgun-stats-reveal-stark-truth/ You're right, it is interesting, but not anything we haven't read before. The last lot of stats showed a similar indication. It would possibly be more interesting and no doubt of greater influence if it were published in the Scottish media rather than in an Airgun magazine. We all know the facts, do the general public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Private land is all well and good! But Local Authority owned "Council" houses are not private. Without permission from the authority to shoot in the garden, this would surely place you in the remit of Armed Tresspass? Granted, due to your tennancy agreement you have permission to enter and use the abode, as per contractual agreement! But as there is no agreement in the contract about permission to use the garden as a shooting range, it could "would" lead to a firearms offence being committed? I have no idea how someone would stand in that situation, I hadn't considered it to be honest. I was thinking about it from my own perspective and I am sure that wouldn't apply in my circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think they list restrictions for a Tennant. And airgun use or firearm use is not mentioned. Drug dealing from a social housing is not listed in the don't do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Drug dealing from a social housing is not listed in the don't do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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