wildfowler.250 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 So when I get bored and the weather is a bit naff I often resort to shooting videos on YouTube. I've noticed a lot of folk will regularly headshoot pigeons and crows at decent ranges. I've had a weihrauch 77k for about 11 years and it does the job at sensible ranges but if I was asked to consistently headshot birds at 35 yards then I think I would struggle,(6x40 scope, free hand/against a tree). So how accurate are these new PCP's? Are they 5p groups at long range if the shooter does their bit? In my head I would almost be inclined to go down the FAC route just to have a bit more leeway. Interested to hear your views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) They can out shoot you if you get a decent one I've got a s400 and its pellet on top of pellet. Supremely accurate to 30 yards haven't done anything beyond that as I use a rimfire Edit after 6 years I finally finally got rid of my slot for a fac air and changed it to a 6mm, I never found a new se for it Edited June 24, 2015 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 put simply very accurate extremely consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Go FAC PCP and have the best of both. They can be very accurate, but after buying a PCP made by BSA that had the grouping ability of a blunderbus, they can also be damned inaccurate. I had a Daystate mk 2 that did a one hole group of 10 shots at 35 metres. Like any type of gun you get good ones and bad ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 As with any rifle its down to: Cosistancy Practise Rifle and ammo testing/matching calibration accurate range finding Most PCP`s are more accurate than most shooters and more consitant. Nothing wrong with your 77, maybe treat it to a service and tune (IMO Sandwell fieldsports are the best). Some excellent groups can be had respectable ranges if the above is done ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Airwolf, pellet on pellet consistently at 40 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 All other criteria aside-the only real way to tell is to remove the action and clamp it to a steady heavy table or such like. You would then have to use the best, most consistet pellets that you can find-size them and then fire off, say, ten shots-you would then get a good idea of your guns capabilities. When you see accuracy tests on youtube and suchlike on The Airgungear Show etc they are a complete waste of time because you are injecting Human error into the equation-even a 10 shot one-hole group may be down to bad shooting if the gun is inaccurate but you just happen to be pointing the gun in the correct place when you pull the trigger. My S410 is easily capable of 10 shot one holers at 25 yards-shame is that I'm not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 All other criteria aside-the only real way to tell is to remove the action and clamp it to a steady heavy table or such like. You would then have to use the best, most consistet pellets that you can find-size them and then fire off, say, ten shots-you would then get a good idea of your guns capabilities. When you see accuracy tests on youtube and suchlike on The Airgungear Show etc they are a complete waste of time because you are injecting Human error into the equation-even a 10 shot one-hole group may be down to bad shooting if the gun is inaccurate but you just happen to be pointing the gun in the correct place when you pull the trigger. My S410 is easily capable of 10 shot one holers at 25 yards-shame is that I'm not Come on, given time and patience you can get one hole groups at 25 yards, just the diameter of the hole may be half an inch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Normal field conditions how I normally shoot off sticks 1/2"- 3/4" group is easily achievable at 35 yards. Better shots than me can get tighter but that suits me for field use. I restrict myself to 35yards due to this. With my FAC air I push further as it hits a lot harder and you get more leeway on shot placement but sub 12 ft/lb 35yards is my limit and closer if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 In use a HW 97 and always head shoot my pigeonso there is no reason why your 77 should not do the same , tuning may help as may plenty of pactice . A PCP is no more accurate than a decent spring gun , they are however easier to shoot accurately . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 They are extremely accurate - mainly because there's no recoil so even an average shooter can become a marksman. That's not to say that springers can't be accurate, because they can ..... but it takes a lot more work to achieve good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspark Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Due to no recoil they are extremely accurate. anything over 40 yards I use my rimfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) My Falcon FN19 Skeleton runs circa 25-26ft lb, I'm sure others can do better, but I'm happy enough! Edited June 24, 2015 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 As with any rifle its down to: Cosistancy Practise Rifle and ammo testing/matching calibration accurate range finding Most PCP`s are more accurate than most shooters and more consitant. Nothing wrong with your 77, maybe treat it to a service and tune (IMO Sandwell fieldsports are the best). Some excellent groups can be had respectable ranges if the above is done ! ATB Matt I think Steve Pope of Vmach is a cut above SFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think Steve Pope of Vmach is a cut above SFS Only on price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampyis1968 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Well I'm no sharp shooter but at 15 yards as that the only room I got in garden till I get over mkfc but on a bipod still learning with a baa ultra se 177 which I think is nicer than my r10 22 this what I got with ten pellets but it be a different story at 30 yards in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Having cut my shooting teeth rifle wise on a very early Theoben and an Original 45 when I first tried a Theoben precharged I was amazed, far far easier to shoot accurately. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I'll do you a target off my HW100 and post it up for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Ooooh if we are posting groups , I have put this on before a couple of years back , shot with my SFS tuned HW97 spring gun , 10 shots @ 30 yards rested. Edited June 24, 2015 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Cheers for the replies! Was interesting reading. A PCP will probably be the next purchase when funds allow In use a HW 97 and always head shoot my pigeonso there is no reason why your 77 should not do the same , tuning may help as may plenty of pactice . A PCP is no more accurate than a decent spring gun , they are however easier to shoot accurately . I probably could manage it. Always been if the opinion of aim small miss small. Just something I need to get my head around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Here you go 5 shots, 30 meters HW100 S in .177 resting on the kids swing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Here you go 5 shots, 30 meters HW100 S in .177 resting on the kids swing Pfft, Swings are easy, roundabouts sort the men from the boys. Very good group by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) And here is the killer........ A 40 year old springer in .22 off the kids swing but this time at 25 metres. 3 shots this time Edit to say... Not a Wierhauch of any sort or a £69 Hatsan 900 (sorry SAMole) ................. It's a Feinwerkbau 127 sport break barrel which has tuning by Steve Pope of V mach Edited June 24, 2015 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Pfft, Swings are easy, roundabouts sort the men from the boys. Very good group by the way Thanks, but the rifle is just stupidly accurate all I need to do is pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 So when I get bored and the weather is a bit naff I often resort to shooting videos on YouTube. I've noticed a lot of folk will regularly headshoot pigeons and crows at decent ranges. I've had a weihrauch 77k for about 11 years and it does the job at sensible ranges but if I was asked to consistently headshot birds at 35 yards then I think I would struggle,(6x40 scope, free hand/against a tree). So how accurate are these new PCP's? Are they 5p groups at long range if the shooter does their bit? In my head I would almost be inclined to go down the FAC route just to have a bit more leeway. Interested to hear your views As with any rifle its down to: Cosistancy Practise Rifle and ammo testing/matching calibration accurate range finding Most PCP`s are more accurate than most shooters and more consitant. Nothing wrong with your 77, maybe treat it to a service and tune (IMO Sandwell fieldsports are the best). Some excellent groups can be had respectable ranges if the above is done ! ATB Matt http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/315170-hw-77k-back-from-sandwell-field-sports/ Here you go a recent review of SFS work on your exact model rifle ! Also check out on youtube verminhunters TV . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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